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1991 Miami "better" than '91 Huskies according to ESPN ..

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35366896/deciding-college-football-true-champions-split-titles

1991: Washington (12-0) vs. Miami (12-0)
Poll rankings: Miami first (AP) and second (coaches), Washington first (coaches) and second (AP)
SP+ rankings: Miami first (24.7 rating), Washington second (24.2)
Avg. points scored: Washington 41.3, Miami 32.2
Avg. points allowed: Miami 8.3, Washington 9.6

Best wins: Miami def. Florida State (third in SP+) 17-16, def. Penn State (fourth) 26-20, def. Nebraska (10th) 22-0; Washington def. Nebraska (10th) 36-21, def. California (13th) 24-17, def. Michigan (14th) 34-14

Verdict: Miami. Honestly? This might be the most difficult decision on this list. Both Don James' Huskies and Dennis Erickson's Hurricanes were nearly perfect, and it's a damn shame that these two couldn't meet in a bowl game.

Washington was perfectly suited to hold up against one of the best Miami teams of the era. The Huskies were explosive on the edge and beyond sturdy in the trenches. Mario Bailey (17 touchdowns, 16.7 yards per catch) was one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s, and the defense was keyed by All-American Steve Emtman up front and ball hawk Walter Bailey (seven INTs, two touchdowns) in the back. The Huskies began the season by handling Nebraska in Lincoln and ended it by pummeling Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Only an excellent Cal could stay particularly close in between.

Since I'm forcing myself to choose, however, I'm going with The U, if only because of the résumé. Miami beat both the third- and fourth-best teams in the country and finished the season by pummeling Nebraska by a slightly larger margin. This would have been an absolute coin-flip matchup on the field, but Miami's schedule gives it the slightest of nods.


Game is won in the trenches, as they say ... but Bill Connelly decides it doesn't apply here because reasons.

Discuss.
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    PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,609
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    He's not saying they were better, just that they beat better teams. Pretty fair take but I like the DAWGS in that one
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,846
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    animate said:

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35366896/deciding-college-football-true-champions-split-titles

    1991: Washington (12-0) vs. Miami (12-0)
    Poll rankings: Miami first (AP) and second (coaches), Washington first (coaches) and second (AP)
    SP+ rankings: Miami first (24.7 rating), Washington second (24.2)
    Avg. points scored: Washington 41.3, Miami 32.2
    Avg. points allowed: Miami 8.3, Washington 9.6

    Best wins: Miami def. Florida State (third in SP+) 17-16, def. Penn State (fourth) 26-20, def. Nebraska (10th) 22-0; Washington def. Nebraska (10th) 36-21, def. California (13th) 24-17, def. Michigan (14th) 34-14

    Verdict: Miami. Honestly? This might be the most difficult decision on this list. Both Don James' Huskies and Dennis Erickson's Hurricanes were nearly perfect, and it's a damn shame that these two couldn't meet in a bowl game.

    Washington was perfectly suited to hold up against one of the best Miami teams of the era. The Huskies were explosive on the edge and beyond sturdy in the trenches. Mario Bailey (17 touchdowns, 16.7 yards per catch) was one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s, and the defense was keyed by All-American Steve Emtman up front and ball hawk Walter Bailey (seven INTs, two touchdowns) in the back. The Huskies began the season by handling Nebraska in Lincoln and ended it by pummeling Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Only an excellent Cal could stay particularly close in between.

    Since I'm forcing myself to choose, however, I'm going with The U, if only because of the résumé. Miami beat both the third- and fourth-best teams in the country and finished the season by pummeling Nebraska by a slightly larger margin. This would have been an absolute coin-flip matchup on the field, but Miami's schedule gives it the slightest of nods.


    Game is won in the trenches, as they say ... but Bill Connelly decides it doesn't apply here because reasons.

    Discuss.

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    pawz said:

    animate said:

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35366896/deciding-college-football-true-champions-split-titles

    1991: Washington (12-0) vs. Miami (12-0)
    Poll rankings: Miami first (AP) and second (coaches), Washington first (coaches) and second (AP)
    SP+ rankings: Miami first (24.7 rating), Washington second (24.2)
    Avg. points scored: Washington 41.3, Miami 32.2
    Avg. points allowed: Miami 8.3, Washington 9.6

    Best wins: Miami def. Florida State (third in SP+) 17-16, def. Penn State (fourth) 26-20, def. Nebraska (10th) 22-0; Washington def. Nebraska (10th) 36-21, def. California (13th) 24-17, def. Michigan (14th) 34-14

    Verdict: Miami. Honestly? This might be the most difficult decision on this list. Both Don James' Huskies and Dennis Erickson's Hurricanes were nearly perfect, and it's a damn shame that these two couldn't meet in a bowl game.

    Washington was perfectly suited to hold up against one of the best Miami teams of the era. The Huskies were explosive on the edge and beyond sturdy in the trenches. Mario Bailey (17 touchdowns, 16.7 yards per catch) was one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s, and the defense was keyed by All-American Steve Emtman up front and ball hawk Walter Bailey (seven INTs, two touchdowns) in the back. The Huskies began the season by handling Nebraska in Lincoln and ended it by pummeling Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Only an excellent Cal could stay particularly close in between.

    Since I'm forcing myself to choose, however, I'm going with The U, if only because of the résumé. Miami beat both the third- and fourth-best teams in the country and finished the season by pummeling Nebraska by a slightly larger margin. This would have been an absolute coin-flip matchup on the field, but Miami's schedule gives it the slightest of nods.


    Game is won in the trenches, as they say ... but Bill Connelly decides it doesn't apply here because reasons.

    Discuss.

    @creepycoug


    @PurpleBaze
    @CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    @GrundleStiltzkin
    @DerekJohnson
    @RuffaloSoldier
    @MikeSeaver
    @coronabruin @PurpleJ

    This is the worst kind of malarkey, slander against 1 of the top 5 all tim teams. It will not stand. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
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    Baseman said:

    Nebraska shot their wad, losing at home to the Dawgs. Writers underestimate the effects of when a team is eliminated from contention they lose their edge. The Michigan squad BYU faced in the 84/85 Holiday Bowl was a shell of the team Washington faced the previous September in Ann Arbor.

    While I'm not a banner hanger for the 84 Dawgs --they choked the SC game-- the only team that beats the 91 Dawgs in 91 or a Bowl game was the 91 Dawgs. Period. Citing Mario Bailey as the offensive difference maker displays the ignorance, That 91 squad was powered by power running. Bryant, Berry, and Nip (ILTCHNILTCHT)


    I'm a banner hanger for the 84 DAWGS

    That team won the natty and would've beat BYU by 69 points.

    Hang the banner
    Champions don't choke. The Dawgs choked. They were the better team by far but winners don't choke.
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    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Nebraska shot their wad, losing at home to the Dawgs. Writers underestimate the effects of when a team is eliminated from contention they lose their edge. The Michigan squad BYU faced in the 84/85 Holiday Bowl was a shell of the team Washington faced the previous September in Ann Arbor.

    While I'm not a banner hanger for the 84 Dawgs --they choked the SC game-- the only team that beats the 91 Dawgs in 91 or a Bowl game was the 91 Dawgs. Period. Citing Mario Bailey as the offensive difference maker displays the ignorance, That 91 squad was powered by power running. Bryant, Berry, and Nip (ILTCHNILTCHT)


    I'm a banner hanger for the 84 DAWGS

    That team won the natty and would've beat BYU by 69 points.

    Hang the banner
    Champions don't choke. The Dawgs choked. They were the better team by far but winners don't choke.
    So what you're saying is every 1 loss title winner should turn in the trophy? This is dumb
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    Baseman said:

    Nebraska shot their wad, losing at home to the Dawgs. Writers underestimate the effects of when a team is eliminated from contention they lose their edge. The Michigan squad BYU faced in the 84/85 Holiday Bowl was a shell of the team Washington faced the previous September in Ann Arbor.

    While I'm not a banner hanger for the 84 Dawgs --they choked the SC game-- the only team that beats the 91 Dawgs in 91 or a Bowl game was the 91 Dawgs. Period. Citing Mario Bailey as the offensive difference maker displays the ignorance, That 91 squad was powered by power running. Bryant, Berry, and Nip (ILTCHNILTCHT) and a TUFF OL. Kennedy, Supe, Rongen, Ossai, and CENTER (Cunningham) Those boys had attitude and were ready to rumble.

    Bryant squirted through holes with a nice burst. Barry went off tackle, 46 and 45 blast.

    So, the '91 Michigan team UW faced in the Rose Bowl had 'shot their wad' after giving up 51 at home to Free Shoes?

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    animate said:

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35366896/deciding-college-football-true-champions-split-titles

    1991: Washington (12-0) vs. Miami (12-0)
    Poll rankings: Miami first (AP) and second (coaches), Washington first (coaches) and second (AP)
    SP+ rankings: Miami first (24.7 rating), Washington second (24.2)
    Avg. points scored: Washington 41.3, Miami 32.2
    Avg. points allowed: Miami 8.3, Washington 9.6

    Best wins: Miami def. Florida State (third in SP+) 17-16, def. Penn State (fourth) 26-20, def. Nebraska (10th) 22-0; Washington def. Nebraska (10th) 36-21, def. California (13th) 24-17, def. Michigan (14th) 34-14

    Verdict: Miami. Honestly? This might be the most difficult decision on this list. Both Don James' Huskies and Dennis Erickson's Hurricanes were nearly perfect, and it's a damn shame that these two couldn't meet in a bowl game.

    Washington was perfectly suited to hold up against one of the best Miami teams of the era. The Huskies were explosive on the edge and beyond sturdy in the trenches. Mario Bailey (17 touchdowns, 16.7 yards per catch) was one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s, and the defense was keyed by All-American Steve Emtman up front and ball hawk Walter Bailey (seven INTs, two touchdowns) in the back. The Huskies began the season by handling Nebraska in Lincoln and ended it by pummeling Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Only an excellent Cal could stay particularly close in between.

    Since I'm forcing myself to choose, however, I'm going with The U, if only because of the résumé. Miami beat both the third- and fourth-best teams in the country and finished the season by pummeling Nebraska by a slightly larger margin. This would have been an absolute coin-flip matchup on the field, but Miami's schedule gives it the slightest of nods.


    Game is won in the trenches, as they say ... but Bill Connelly decides it doesn't apply here because reasons.

    Discuss.

    I won't be dragged into this again, except for the two comments above. I've grown up.

    #startingnow!
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    Baseman said:

    Nebraska shot their wad, losing at home to the Dawgs. Writers underestimate the effects of when a team is eliminated from contention they lose their edge. The Michigan squad BYU faced in the 84/85 Holiday Bowl was a shell of the team Washington faced the previous September in Ann Arbor.

    While I'm not a banner hanger for the 84 Dawgs --they choked the SC game-- the only team that beats the 91 Dawgs in 91 or a Bowl game was the 91 Dawgs. Period. Citing Mario Bailey as the offensive difference maker displays the ignorance, That 91 squad was powered by power running. Bryant, Berry, and Nip (ILTCHNILTCHT)


    I'm a banner hanger for the 84 DAWGS

    That team won the natty and would've beat BYU by 69 points.

    Hang the banner
    Man, you got a lot of downvotes for merely supporting the '84 DWAGS.
    These same assholes keep downvoting me in the same exact order. It's disturbing, quite honestly
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    Bad Day Post Game Orange Slices ? I’ve always liked you if it helps.
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    animate said:

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35366896/deciding-college-football-true-champions-split-titles

    1991: Washington (12-0) vs. Miami (12-0)
    Poll rankings: Miami first (AP) and second (coaches), Washington first (coaches) and second (AP)
    SP+ rankings: Miami first (24.7 rating), Washington second (24.2)
    Avg. points scored: Washington 41.3, Miami 32.2
    Avg. points allowed: Miami 8.3, Washington 9.6

    Best wins: Miami def. Florida State (third in SP+) 17-16, def. Penn State (fourth) 26-20, def. Nebraska (10th) 22-0; Washington def. Nebraska (10th) 36-21, def. California (13th) 24-17, def. Michigan (14th) 34-14

    Verdict: Miami. Honestly? This might be the most difficult decision on this list. Both Don James' Huskies and Dennis Erickson's Hurricanes were nearly perfect, and it's a damn shame that these two couldn't meet in a bowl game.

    Washington was perfectly suited to hold up against one of the best Miami teams of the era. The Huskies were explosive on the edge and beyond sturdy in the trenches. Mario Bailey (17 touchdowns, 16.7 yards per catch) was one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s, and the defense was keyed by All-American Steve Emtman up front and ball hawk Walter Bailey (seven INTs, two touchdowns) in the back. The Huskies began the season by handling Nebraska in Lincoln and ended it by pummeling Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Only an excellent Cal could stay particularly close in between.

    Since I'm forcing myself to choose, however, I'm going with The U, if only because of the résumé. Miami beat both the third- and fourth-best teams in the country and finished the season by pummeling Nebraska by a slightly larger margin. This would have been an absolute coin-flip matchup on the field, but Miami's schedule gives it the slightest of nods.


    Game is won in the trenches, as they say ... but Bill Connelly decides it doesn't apply here because reasons.

    Discuss.

    I won't be dragged into this again, except for the two comments above. I've grown up.

    #startingnow!
    Except to say this:

    1. I don't think the '91 Miami team was one of the best teams of that era. 87, 88, 89 and arguably 90 were more dangerous.
    2. Mario Bailey, a fun guy to like and support, isn't a guy I'd describe as one of the scariest receivers of the 1990s. Shifty kid with a knack for getting open and making plays. Good player. Great player even. Scariest at his position for the 1990s? OK!
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    Clevdawg said:

    Bad Day Post Game Orange Slices ? I’ve always liked you if it helps.

    They say HH isnt for sermon seekers, but ranting about Husky football and arguing with you guys is therapy in some sense.

    I'm rarely ever truly mad, and if I am 50% of the time it's from a Teqoola poast

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    Clevdawg said:

    Bad Day Post Game Orange Slices ? I’ve always liked you if it helps.

    They say HH isnt for sermon seekers, but ranting about Husky football and arguing with you guys is therapy in some sense.

    I'm rarely ever truly mad, and if I am 50% of the time it's from a Teqoola poast

    I've noticed that and rarely pass on an argument with you because you seem able to move on even if it gets a little ugly
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    chuck said:

    Clevdawg said:

    Bad Day Post Game Orange Slices ? I’ve always liked you if it helps.

    They say HH isnt for sermon seekers, but ranting about Husky football and arguing with you guys is therapy in some sense.

    I'm rarely ever truly mad, and if I am 50% of the time it's from a Teqoola poast

    I've noticed that and rarely pass on an argument with you because you seem able to move on even if it gets a little ugly
    I cant even remember why we were having multi thread arugments a few months back
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    chuck said:

    Clevdawg said:

    Bad Day Post Game Orange Slices ? I’ve always liked you if it helps.

    They say HH isnt for sermon seekers, but ranting about Husky football and arguing with you guys is therapy in some sense.

    I'm rarely ever truly mad, and if I am 50% of the time it's from a Teqoola poast

    I've noticed that and rarely pass on an argument with you because you seem able to move on even if it gets a little ugly
    I cant even remember why we were having multi thread arugments a few months back
    Nor I. I probably didn't like your profile pic or something.
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