What I'm hearing re: Bergdahl...

BennyBeaver

this is just what I'm hearing.

He went full on Ayn Rand and left his post in John Galt-style.

The ultimate libertarian, Mr. Bergdahl.

TierbsHsotBoobs

I laughed for real.

BennyBeaver

Peeps, it's just what I'm hearing.

CuntWaffle

Twisting.

BennyBeaver

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

Swaye

Bergdahl should keep walking straight to a firing line.

HFNY

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

Swaye

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

Maybe Michele got so caught up in her #bringourgirlshome hysteria she mistook Bergdhal for a young black girl in Africa.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

I agree he's a piece of shit and deserter but I don't know that his desertion is linked to those 6-8 deaths.

HFNY

The boots who were on the ground are saying so. Do you trust JayCarneyFS over those guys?

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

I agree he's a piece of shit and deserter but I don't know that his desertion is linked to those 6-8 deaths.

HuskyJW

I'm hearing we value life more than those Heathens so we will always get the short end of the stick on these deals.

Again...just what I'm hearing.

ThomasFremont

HuskyJW said:

I'm hearing we value life more than those Heathens so we will always get the short end of the stick on these deals.

Again...just what I'm hearing.

3/5 compromise?

section8

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

It's a no win situation, if they let the ragheads kill him than they don't care about the troops etc.., if they trade to release him than they're negotiating with terrorists etc..

Easier to get the guy back and then drop a bomb on the guys they let go than it is to explain letting a soldier, even a deserter, get executed.

BennyBeaver

Easier to get the guy back and then drop a bomb on the guys they let go than it is to explain letting a soldier, even a deserter, get executed.

Abundantnance.

HFNY

It's is a win-situation by ending the entitlement / moral hazard society that has been pushed by some for political gain over the past 10-15 years. Aren't able to earn $15 / hour on your own? It's ok because you are a victim so here you go! Turn your back on your unit and desert into enemy territory that ends up getting Americans killed looking for you? Hey no big deal, you made your bed but didn't have to lie in it so we'll bail you out!. Oh yeah? Well take a look at Article 85 about desertion rules.

Moving on, this mentality may win (buy) some votes some of the time but I dearly hope that voters finally punish anyone who peddles that belief system in the fall.

Bleeding Hearts ultimately end up bleeding others. 5 Taliban are back on Muslim soil...and what proof is there of his pending execution? Those guys have American blood on their hands yet Obama and "Senior Members" of the Administration spin, distract, and obfuscate from damaging blunder to damaging blunder.

section8 said:

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

It's a no win situation, if they let the ragheads kill him than they don't care about the troops etc.., if they trade to release him than they're negotiating with terrorists etc..

Easier to get the guy back and then drop a bomb on the guys they let go than it is to explain letting a soldier, even a deserter, get executed.

HFNY

Article 85 - Desertion. This is the most serious of the absentee offenses. Remember the primary difference between AWOL and desertion is intent to remain away from the military permanently.

(1) If a member deserted, but voluntarily returned to military control: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 2 years.

(2) If the member deserted and the desertion was terminated by apprehension: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 3 years.

(3) If the member deserted with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service (and example of this would be a member ordered to deploy to Iraq and then deserts to avoid the deployment): Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 5 years.

(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.

Swaye

I prefer the firing squad, but would be amenable to life in Leavenworth making big rocks into little ones.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

HFNY said:

The boots who were on the ground are saying so. Do you trust JayCarneyFS over those guys?

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

HFNY said:

And officially became a FSdeserter used by the Taliban as a pawn causing ambushes (6 to 8 dead) and then getting back 5 of their dirka dirka Islamic Jihad buddies back.

WTF is wrong with this Administration and ChuckHagelFS?

TheGlove said:

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . .” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.”

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.

I agree he's a piece of shit and deserter but I don't know that his desertion is linked to those 6-8 deaths.

Boots don't talk. HTH.

As a guy who put feet in boots which then walked in Afghanistan, I'm going to trust the timeline reports I've seen. According to a report, those 6 deaths didn't occur until 2 months after Bergdalh walked off. Did the unit keep looking for him as part of other operations during which those 6 were killed? Yeah, probably but would the unit have conducted those ops if Bergdahl hadn't deserted? It's a tenuous line to draw between Bergdahls act of cowardice and desertion and their deaths.

MikeDamone

HFNY said:

Article 85 - Desertion. This is the most serious of the absentee offenses. Remember the primary difference between AWOL and desertion is intent to remain away from the military permanently.

(1) If a member deserted, but voluntarily returned to military control: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 2 years.

(2) If the member deserted and the desertion was terminated by apprehension: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 3 years.

(3) If the member deserted with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service (and example of this would be a member ordered to deploy to Iraq and then deserts to avoid the deployment): Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 5 years.

(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.

I don't think war was declared. Therefore not a "time of war".