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Where the fuck are the Jack-Z haters now?

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  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    TheGlove said:

    I like to compare full season stats to stats from 1/3 of a season, that's what I like to do.

    well duh, but I don't care if it's over 2 months or 5 seasons. A 1.92 fip is incredible, especially in the American League
  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    edited June 2014
    If Mooging over Felix is wrong, I don't want to be right.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    edited June 2014

    Road Warriors!

    FIP, FWAR?

    WTF is that for us non baseball fans?

    Wait the captain metrics guy doesn't know these basic metric stats for baseball?

    I'm floored.
    Welcome to last month, but yeah, it's surprising.

  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    Tequilla said:

    They still need some massive offensive upgrades and the reality is that you know things are going right right now since Erasimo gave up 9 base runners in 4.2 innings today and got away without giving up a run.

    One guy that I'd like to see them possibly target is Matt Adams from St. Louis when he gets back healthy. He'd be a massive upgrade over Smoak at first base with the stick and given the fact that St. Louis needs to find a way to get their young OFers into the lineup and it puts Craig back at 1B (which helps out their OF defense), they might be able to get Adams as a buy low type of option.

    I agree. This team still isn't doing shit this season but it isn't as dreck as it has been in the past. If this team wouldn't have been such pussies and given Nelson Cruz the blank check like they should have I actually could see something happening.

    We will see by the trade deadline if they are serious about making a playoff push or not. They need to get Billy Butler (having a bad year so far but his track record is decent) or some other power bat in the lineup to protect Cano.

    BTW Cano has been lights out yet the Mooronoors are still complaining about him only having 1 home run. How about complaining about the 4-9 batters who pretty much go 0 for whatever every game?


    Cano only has 1 HR???? as of your press time???

    Moorinoors, Mariner's and Drunkin Seaman fans SHOULD be pissed if true. You can't be happy about a consistent 25-35 HR guy that you just paid $225MM to being on pace for like 6HR's on the Season.

    No matter how good of a glue guy that he may be.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    he's on pace for like 8 or something.
    He's never been a home run hitter, he's a line drive hitter and those HR numbers are inflated by the short porch. I wasn't a fan of the signing when it was made however I have no problem with what he's doing now.
    .300 hitters are becoming a rare commodity, let alone .330 hitters
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited June 2014
    .330 without any power or speed isn't worth 24 million. Cano is a great player, but he needs to go on a run where he hits some HR's. .300-.320 with 15-20 HR's should be expected. He has time to get there though.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    .330 without any power or speed isn't worth 24 million. Cano is a great player, but he needs to go on a run where he hits some HR's. .300-.320 with 15-20 HR's should be expected. He has time to get there though.

    Cano needs more Tim.

  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    .330 without any power or speed isn't worth 24 million. Cano is a great player, but he needs to go on a run where he hits some HR's. .300-.320 with 15-20 HR's should be expected. He has time to get there though.

    I respectfully disagree. Maybe 2-3 years ago yes but hitting is so down right now.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    and he has stolen 4 bases, so it isn't like he has no speed
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    dhdawg said:

    .330 without any power or speed isn't worth 24 million. Cano is a great player, but he needs to go on a run where he hits some HR's. .300-.320 with 15-20 HR's should be expected. He has time to get there though.

    I respectfully disagree. Maybe 2-3 years ago yes but hitting is so down right now.
    You are probably right. Offense is down and .330 is a great average. I think he will start hitting some HR's anyways. He's hitting .330 so he's hitting the ball well. He will have a month where he hits 5-6 HR's. You are right that he hit 25-30 because he played in New York, but he should be able to hit 15 HR's. I don't think he's going to start hitting 5 a year now when you look at his past numbers.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745

    .330 without any power or speed isn't worth 24 million. Cano is a great player, but he needs to go on a run where he hits some HR's. .300-.320 with 15-20 HR's should be expected. He has time to get there though.

    If he does what he's doing right now throughout the contract he'll be worth it. The problem is he's going to age and those last few years are going to be brutal, so they need him to provide significant surplus value now to offset how they'll be overpaying him at the end. Right now, that's not happening, but I imagine he'll go off at some point.

    That OBP is beautiful though.

  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited June 2014
    Cano is having his worst offensive season since 2008 (using OPS). He had 40+ doubles from 2009-2013, and he is only on pace for 34. His numbers are down across the board other than batting average. His WAR and WAA are significantly down from his past 5 seasons. He's performing below his typical level. Check for yourself. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/canoro01.shtml

    Some of it is to be expected because of ball park adjustment, but saying he's been lights out or incredible is false. He's a hell of a player and you can't get upset at a guy for hitting .330 with a .387 OBP. Those are great, but the Mariners need power. DHDawg, you said .330 hitters are rare nowadays, but 30+ HR guys are even rarer. 36 HR's led the NL last year. I know Cano has never been a true masher, but they aren't paying him 24 million to hit singles. Expecting 15-20 HR's for a guy who has hit between 25-33 HR's the past 5 years isn't crazy.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,496 Founders Club
    This thread hurts my brain.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,889 Standard Supporter
    M's have lost 4 in a row now but Jesus Montero is going to save us by now protecting Cano in the line-up.

    #powerinanypark
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited June 2014
    when did I ever say he's been incredible? If I were to grade him for this season he would get probably a B. I just don't think it's worth wringing our hands over his performance when there's so many other problems on this roster. Like the fact they don't have a fucking DH.
    I don't think 15-20 homers is too much to ask at all, but he has time to get there
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    also sabr lovers often dismiss lineup protection.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=3269&position=2B&type=battedball
    but cano has had most of his batted balls and hits go towards left and center field, which shows they are pitching him away
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Way too much talk about Soccer and the fucking Mariners.

    Revenge of the Nerds territory.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    Way too much talk about Soccer and the fucking Mariners.

    Revenge of the Nerds territory.

    compared to the rest of the shit currently on this board (PGOS) it ain't that bad
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    dhdawg said:

    Way too much talk about Soccer and the fucking Mariners.

    Revenge of the Nerds territory.

    compared to the rest of the shit currently on this board (PGOS) it ain't that bad
    CHRIST! September 27th can't come here soon enough.
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