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The first technically proficient shredding on a rock record?

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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,788 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    I'd also put Jeff Beck's outro soloing at about 2:00 min mark on I'm a Man as some proto shredding @JoeEDangerously .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdCePtwoW4

    Not technically proficient, at all.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,788 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.

    A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar

    Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw

    Triple shit post incoming.

    Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
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  • DawgOfTheAges
    DawgOfTheAges Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,807 Founders Club
    edited December 2022
    Bad_MotherDucker said:

    I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.

    I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approve

    https://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8

    Quality post… @Bad_MotherDucker, i enjoyed the thought process behind your post
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,744 Founders Club
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.

    A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar

    Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw

    Triple shit post incoming.

    Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
    While I think Zep is certainly the greatest of the "heavy" bands of all time, plenty came after them- i.e., VH, Metallica, etc. They didn't everything. And you're right, Page hadn't fully left the blues behind here which I think you really need to do to be truly technically proficient shredding. But it's getting darn close right here. So maybe "proto shredding" is the better label, much like how "proto punk" laid the ground work for REAL "punk".

    So is Eruption the birth of true shredding?
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,744 Founders Club
    edited December 2022
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.
    Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.

    If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.


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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,559 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.
    Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.

    If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.


    These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funny
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,744 Founders Club
    JoeEDangerously said:

    YellowSnow said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.
    Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.

    If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.


    These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funny
    They were fucking amazing. Just perfect.

    Michael McDonald with Dre Dre and Warren G takes the cake.
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  • Bad_MotherDucker
    Bad_MotherDucker Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,382 Swaye's Wigwam
    YellowSnow said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.

    A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar

    Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw

    Triple shit post incoming.

    Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
    While I think Zep is certainly the greatest of the "heavy" bands of all time, plenty came after them- i.e., VH, Metallica, etc. They didn't everything. And you're right, Page hadn't fully left the blues behind here which I think you really need to do to be truly technically proficient shredding. But it's getting darn close right here. So maybe "proto shredding" is the better label, much like how "proto punk" laid the ground work for REAL "punk".

    So is Eruption the birth of true shredding?
    IMO it is the birth. No one had combined tremolo picking, two hand tap, and dive bar action like that.
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,559 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    JoeEDangerously said:

    YellowSnow said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.
    Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.

    If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.


    These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funny
    They were fucking amazing. Just perfect.

    Michael McDonald with Dre Dre and Warren G takes the cake.
    Had me sold when Hall and Oates were the rebellious swashbuckling duo
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