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Can a Deeply Unserious America Fix Its Economy?

MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
edited November 2022 in Tug Tavern
https://mises.org/wire/can-deeply-unserious-america-fix-its-economy

Let’s face it: the US is not a free-market economy because we don’t much believe in markets, despite our lip service. Most Americans, and virtually all political, media, academic, corporate, and banking elites, believe economic intervention (fiscal and monetary stimulus) form the basis of our economy—not production and saving.

So, what would a serious America do to correct our disastrous economic path? This may seem like an academic or rhetorical question, but it’s worth laying out the actual steps necessary to build a real economy rather than a fake one dependent on monetary or fiscal interventionism. As Dr. Mark Thornton recently explained, these steps may be conceptually simple even as they are wildly beyond political imagination today:

a wholesale adoption of laissez-faire economic doctrine by national politicians;

immediate deep tax and regulatory reductions;

immediate sharp reductions in government spending at every level (leaving federal spending well below federal revenue);

rigorous entitlement cuts, using some combination of means testing and raising age eligibility for both Social Security and Medicare;

rigorous defense spending cuts of at least 50 percent, combined with a radically reduced US military footprint overseas;

cessation of new debt issuance by the US Treasury;

cessation of active monetary “policy” by the Federal Reserve Bank, meaning no intervention with respect to the money supply, interest rates, or credit and debt markets (including US Treasurys);

a radical reduction in the Fed’s balance sheet by letting existing Treasurys mature and roll off;

an entirely hands-off approach allowing the US dollar to float freely relative to other currencies and commodities;

an express policy against bailouts or subsidies of any kind to any industry or company, regardless of the severity of an economic downturn;

allowing troubled industries or companies, no matter how big, to fail—through bankruptcy and asset sales; investor losses;

and firing boards, management, and employees when restructuring is possible;

actively encouraging business and individuals to save (through market/floating interest rates);

elimination of any price ceilings or floors on prices, wages, and profits;

elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals, along with abolition of minimum wage laws;

and finally,
the immediate sale of federal land and other assets to reduce debt service on the $31 trillion in Treasury obligations and to restore worldwide confidence in the US economy.
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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,643 Swaye's Wigwam
    @hhusky said we have no chance of reducing spending so we shouldn't try.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Bob_C said:

    @hhusky said we have no chance of reducing spending so we shouldn't try.

    Herr Dazzler thinks calling someone an Austrian is a pejorative.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,252
    The only way spending gets cut would be if our economic system totally collapsed. Over 60% of all households now receives more in transfer payment than they pay in taxes. Even among people who call themselves Republicans nobody is calling for the cutting of spending.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,960 Founders Club
    politically impossible, but selling the land to reduce the debt is intriguing
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,615 Founders Club
    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    That’s the point of the article. No one has the will to do what it takes to fix the economy.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,643 Swaye's Wigwam

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    That’s the point of the article. No one has the will to do what it takes to fix the economy.
    It’s why you never go full welfare state. Can never unravel it.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,970 Standard Supporter
    People have figured out they can vote themselves gifts of the treasury.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,615 Founders Club

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    That’s the point of the article. No one has the will to do what it takes to fix the economy.
    Have you listened to MTG, Steve Bannon, Thomas Massie? Don't say no one.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    That’s the point of the article. No one has the will to do what it takes to fix the economy.
    Have you listened to MTG, Steve Bannon, Thomas Massie? Don't say no one.
    Fuck off. You know what I meant.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,860 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited November 2022
    hardhat said:
    What a piece of shit. Still doing favors for the Saudis who snubbed him.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    Dazzler knows the answer: massive tax increases.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,824 Founders Club

    https://mises.org/wire/can-deeply-unserious-america-fix-its-economy

    Let’s face it: the US is not a free-market economy because we don’t much believe in markets, despite our lip service. Most Americans, and virtually all political, media, academic, corporate, and banking elites, believe economic intervention (fiscal and monetary stimulus) form the basis of our economy—not production and saving.

    So, what would a serious America do to correct our disastrous economic path? This may seem like an academic or rhetorical question, but it’s worth laying out the actual steps necessary to build a real economy rather than a fake one dependent on monetary or fiscal interventionism. As Dr. Mark Thornton recently explained, these steps may be conceptually simple even as they are wildly beyond political imagination today:

    I'd like 2/3 of the federal government abolished. Get rid of all government pensions. Allow SS to be invested in the stock market. Eliminate BS like AmTrak and PBS.

  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,900 Swaye's Wigwam

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    You'd get 0$ from all the quooks here instead of the collective 20$, that's for sure.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    hardhat said:
    What a piece of shit. Still doing favors for the Saudis who snubbed him.
    So the deal with Venezuela is going through? Ship it across the Caribbean Sea into the Gulf of Mexico and straight to Freeport, TX.

    Fuck those American O&G workers cause Joey V. is fighting climate change.

    Progressive are easily fooled.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    haie said:

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    You'd get 0$ from all the quooks here instead of the collective 20$, that's for sure.
    Go back to your sandbox you stupid cunt.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    46XiJCAB said:

    haie said:

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals won't fly. it just won't

    You'd get 0$ from all the quooks here instead of the collective 20$, that's for sure.
    Go back to your sandbox you stupid cunt.
    Pump my gas duck!
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    https://mises.org/wire/can-deeply-unserious-america-fix-its-economy

    Let’s face it: the US is not a free-market economy because we don’t much believe in markets, despite our lip service. Most Americans, and virtually all political, media, academic, corporate, and banking elites, believe economic intervention (fiscal and monetary stimulus) form the basis of our economy—not production and saving.

    So, what would a serious America do to correct our disastrous economic path? This may seem like an academic or rhetorical question, but it’s worth laying out the actual steps necessary to build a real economy rather than a fake one dependent on monetary or fiscal interventionism. As Dr. Mark Thornton recently explained, these steps may be conceptually simple even as they are wildly beyond political imagination today:

    a wholesale adoption of laissez-faire economic doctrine by national politicians;

    immediate deep tax and regulatory reductions;

    immediate sharp reductions in government spending at every level (leaving federal spending well below federal revenue);

    rigorous entitlement cuts, using some combination of means testing and raising age eligibility for both Social Security and Medicare;

    rigorous defense spending cuts of at least 50 percent, combined with a radically reduced US military footprint overseas;

    cessation of new debt issuance by the US Treasury;

    cessation of active monetary “policy” by the Federal Reserve Bank, meaning no intervention with respect to the money supply, interest rates, or credit and debt markets (including US Treasurys);

    a radical reduction in the Fed’s balance sheet by letting existing Treasurys mature and roll off;

    an entirely hands-off approach allowing the US dollar to float freely relative to other currencies and commodities;

    an express policy against bailouts or subsidies of any kind to any industry or company, regardless of the severity of an economic downturn;

    allowing troubled industries or companies, no matter how big, to fail—through bankruptcy and asset sales; investor losses;

    and firing boards, management, and employees when restructuring is possible;

    actively encouraging business and individuals to save (through market/floating interest rates);

    elimination of any price ceilings or floors on prices, wages, and profits;

    elimination of any unemployment subsidies to individuals, along with abolition of minimum wage laws;

    and finally,
    the immediate sale of federal land and other assets to reduce debt service on the $31 trillion in Treasury obligations and to restore worldwide confidence in the US economy.

    He pretty much cut the budget to a third of what it is now. These ideas would have to be phased in over many years.

    I like his ideas of letting Treasuries mature and reduction of Military spending. Things that could be done right now.

    We need a strong military. But it doesn’t have to be bloated to be that way. Especially in todays battle field. It’s mostly intelligence, tech and precision boom stick nowadays anyway.
    No slight to the ones that still have to battle on the ground. We’ll always need them and they should be paid. And they should be here at Home most of the time. Not going building to building in Fallujah

    The stimulus “bailouts” to big box stores that made record profits certainly needs to end. As well as bailouts to green energy companies that peddle shit that doesn’t work well in most areas.

    His idea of selling off all Federal lands is FS. As it would be the bad guys that would be buying it.

    Cutting SS and Medicare for folks that worked all of their life isn’t really fair. Those that worked in factories that got off shored and others that worked for companies that put their pension on a craps table and lost, deserve better.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    This is how we did 'scicence'. So no, I don't think America is serious or that it's going to fix anything.

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