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"If you look at the stat sheet, we out played them. They got some home cooking and lived at the free throw line"- Paul George.
Seriously you are down 3-1 just STFU and play ball. Indiana just isn't ready for primetime. Where was George bitching about home cooking during game one?
From this latest FS comments to Stephenson's comments about Wade then Lebron there is ZERO leadership on that team.
I couldn't ever picture Miami, the Spurs, shit even OKC making one bulletin board statement after another. Great teams/great players feed off that shit. They take any tiny slight and use it to burn them.
Most of us are Seahawks fans in here and just look at how they take any slight against them.
Seriously you are down 3-1 just STFU and play ball. Indiana just isn't ready for primetime. Where was George bitching about home cooking during game one?
From this latest FS comments to Stephenson's comments about Wade then Lebron there is ZERO leadership on that team.
I couldn't ever picture Miami, the Spurs, shit even OKC making one bulletin board statement after another. Great teams/great players feed off that shit. They take any tiny slight and use it to burn them.
Most of us are Seahawks fans in here and just look at how they take any slight against them.
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Same with the free throw line.
To blame the refs is fucking stupid. Miami didn't blame the refs after game one but they are a championship team.
Pacers are pretenders. That's the difference. Fans can bitch about refs that's what fans do, when players and coaches start doing it especially in this circumstance you come off as a whiny cunt.
I love David West's game and toughness but he bitches more than any leader should bitch - particularly when your next 2 best players are still young.
I think George's heart is in the right spot. In a lot of ways, the differences between these teams isn't that big. But right now, the small details of the game Indiana's getting killed in (rotation shuffles, ending quarters, adjustments).
Indiana should have been using the Scola/West combo earlier in this series once they saw how Miami was forcing traps and allowing rotations to go to non-scorers. Both of those guys as bigs are capable of scoring and leaves 5 capable scorers on the court which neutralizes Miami's ability to get away with some of their traps and rotations. When a fucktarded FS person like me can see that, you start wondering what Frank Vogel is sitting there staring at blankly.
As for George blaming the refs is dumb. Like you said biggest thing in this series is closing out quarters. Miami has done a great job of closing out quarters.
That is how Miami plays though they are a team who has three large runs a game. The key is making sure you counter with a run of your own and making sure that run is like an 8-0 run and not some giant ass run. That is why the Spurs-Heat series was so fun last year and will be this year. That will be constant game of big runs.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category.
They are considered great because they "do more with less" although ultimately it's still not much.
If that's really true, Paul George deserves to end up on an inept franchise coached by Jim Caldwell.
Unlike the Tate one I'm willing to believe this rumor. George nose dived for a while too and hasn't looked top 10 status like he did first half. Hibbert struggles has been documented.
FWIW, I typed in on Google "Roy Hibbert wife" and immediately the following in order pop up "Roy Hibbert wife" Roy Hibbert Wife and Paul George" "Roy Hibbert Wife Cheats" "Roy Hibbert Wife Teammate".
https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=roy+hibbert+wife+paul+george&oq=Roy+Hibbert+wife+&gs_l=hp.1.0.0l3j0i22i30.1000.113708.0.115066.20.17.2.1.2.0.171.1916.3j14.17.0....0...1c.1.45.hp..5.15.1266.0.PKLdLxhChHw
A lot of links on this topic. This actually has legs.
He profiles a lot like George Karl to me - great defensive coach who gets stellar regular season results but disappoints in the postseason. But at least in Thibs case he has the "didn't have my best player for three of my four playoff losses" defense.
Honestly if I had to take one or the other I'd take Thibodeau over Vogel. Again, I don't think he's a championship coach, but I think he's a guy who can take you pretty far if you give him a decent roster.
Also, Chicago's pretty cheap. Sound familiar?
I'm a conspiracy guy as I've proven on here already.
This isn't Kings-Lakers 2002 or Sonics-Suns 1993. This is Miami-Chicago 2011 which is what I said immediately on here after game one.
As for the Heat-Pacers "rivalry" it's not a rivalry if one side never wins. This is like Lakers-Blazers when the Lakers ended the Blazers season five out of six years from 1997-2002, four of which were at the Rose Garden. We all remember the one at Staples though.
I think it's clear watching them play that George wants to play up tempo and you can't do that with Hibbert in place. There's got to be a move there and George is the face of the franchise going forward.
Stephenson will be interesting to see what happens with him.
Hibbert's been on and off in this series. Manhimi hasn't been terrible, but you can't have just one starter plus Scola in on the 2nd string lineup against Miami. Those units have really hurt the first unit in this series.
My biggest criticism with Vogel is that he just hasn't had a Plan B in place and the ability to adjust on the fly. While I've been very critical of Spolestra, I do give him credit for having an ability to not stay with something that isn't working. He'll keep trying things until he comes up with something that works.
Pretty fucking obvious the NBA wants this series to extend to another game.