I've been doin some thinking about Lynyrd Skynyrd

DerekJohnson

It's not right that the band continues today with the same name. It should have been retired after the crash. It seems kind of sacrilege or something.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

DerekJohnson said:

It's not right that the band continues today with the same name. It should have been retired after the crash. It seems kind of sacrilege or something.

I read something that Ronnie’s wife owned the name of the band or the rights to it and she has final say on them continuing. There was some stipulation about having at least 3 of the original band members performing to keep using the name.

I agree with you though, it’s not the same band. Ronnie was the band.

YellowSnow

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Fishpo31

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Agree. For me, it comes down to are they creating new stuff, or riding the money grab train. AC/DC, VH, and others made new, relevant music.

The big boys (Stones, Who) continued after losing guys, and there are differences, but the legacy is strong. I wouldn’t pay to see either now. The replacement drummers are outstanding, but Charlie and Moon were so distinct in their playing, it’s not close for me.

LZ with Jason Bonham sounded like LZ, but that’s another story…

It is one reason I respect Grohl. He made something new, and continues to do so. A lot of those bands are relegated to the casinos now, playing the “hits”, with one ore two OG’s in the lineup….

DerekJohnson

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

I read that Cassie had actually booked a reservation for a commercial flight but then at the last minute joined the band mates on the plane. She was very worried about the 10' sparks coming out of an engine two days earlier.

Baseman

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Gary is an original member.

YellowSnow

Baseman said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Gary is an original member.

My bad. I meant Steve Gaines.

YellowSnow

Fishpo31 said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Agree. For me, it comes down to are they creating new stuff, or riding the money grab train. AC/DC, VH, and others made new, relevant music.

The big boys (Stones, Who) continued after losing guys, and there are differences, but the legacy is strong. I wouldn’t pay to see either now. The replacement drummers are outstanding, but Charlie and Moon were so distinct in their playing, it’s not close for me.

LZ with Jason Bonham sounded like LZ, but that’s another story…

It is one reason I respect Grohl. He made something new, and continues to do so. A lot of those bands are relegated to the casinos now, playing the “hits”, with one ore two OG’s in the lineup….

LZ's reunions were very minimal. They never really tarnished their reputation.

And when the Beatles were done, they were done.

WHO are nothing but cheesy nostalgia these days and I say that as a guy would would probably rank Pete Townshend as his all time favorite rock song writer.

I'll probably do a poll next week about best classic rock era artist "renaissance" period.

Baseman

YellowSnow said:

Baseman said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Gary is an original member.

My bad. I meant Steve Gaines.

You Got That Right

Fishpo31

YellowSnow said:

Fishpo31 said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Agree. For me, it comes down to are they creating new stuff, or riding the money grab train. AC/DC, VH, and others made new, relevant music.

The big boys (Stones, Who) continued after losing guys, and there are differences, but the legacy is strong. I wouldn’t pay to see either now. The replacement drummers are outstanding, but Charlie and Moon were so distinct in their playing, it’s not close for me.

LZ with Jason Bonham sounded like LZ, but that’s another story…

It is one reason I respect Grohl. He made something new, and continues to do so. A lot of those bands are relegated to the casinos now, playing the “hits”, with one ore two OG’s in the lineup….

LZ's reunions were very minimal. They never really tarnished their reputation.

And when the Beatles were done, they were done.

WHO are nothing but cheesy nostalgia these days and I say that as a guy would would probably rank Pete Townshend as his all time favorite rock song writer.

I'll probably do a poll next week about best classic rock era artist "renaissance" period.

Roger and Pete must need the cash. Neither one can hear, they don't particularly like each other, and they're damn near 80. The Stones definitely don't need the dough, so chalk that up to ego. I guess they will do it as long as people want to pay, but it aint me. I argue with friends who want to go drop $20+ bucks to see "tribute" bands at the casinos, when 8-10 year old kids and soccer moms in the basement can replicate the classics, note for note on YouTube. I listen to OG Skynyrd, but I've never had a thought of listening to v.2...

PurpleThrobber

Baseman said:

YellowSnow said:

Baseman said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Gary is an original member.

My bad. I meant Steve Gaines.

You Got That Right

ISWYDT

Fenderbender123

If you think Skynard is bad, look at the current Beach Boys line-up.

Joey

Ed King was an underrated songwriter for them. He left and they put out Gimme Back My Bullets. Has some clunkers on it. Struck gold with Steve Gaines then tragedy hit.

It was probably cool when they reunited with Johnny on vocals the first time around and Ricky Medlocke is fucking great but they’re a glorified tribute band now. Gary was always #3 talent wise but knew how to ride the coattails. Still, I think they’re top 3-5 greatest American rock bands of all time

SFGbob

YellowSnow said:

Fishpo31 said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

Agree. For me, it comes down to are they creating new stuff, or riding the money grab train. AC/DC, VH, and others made new, relevant music.

The big boys (Stones, Who) continued after losing guys, and there are differences, but the legacy is strong. I wouldn’t pay to see either now. The replacement drummers are outstanding, but Charlie and Moon were so distinct in their playing, it’s not close for me.

LZ with Jason Bonham sounded like LZ, but that’s another story…

It is one reason I respect Grohl. He made something new, and continues to do so. A lot of those bands are relegated to the casinos now, playing the “hits”, with one ore two OG’s in the lineup….

LZ's reunions were very minimal. They never really tarnished their reputation.

And when the Beatles were done, they were done.

WHO are nothing but cheesy nostalgia these days and I say that as a guy would would probably rank Pete Townshend as his all time favorite rock song writer.

I'll probably do a poll next week about best classic rock era artist "renaissance" period.

They should have hung it up after shortly after 2000. They're embarassing me now.

Joey

Fenderbender123 said:

If you think Skynard is bad, look at the current Beach Boys line-up.

Bruce Johnston may be the biggest “yes man” in the business

Baseman

DerekJohnson said:

YellowSnow said:

Back in 1997 when I saw the Stones at the Dome, I came up with the Yella Snow 3 / 5 rule. Essentially, if you have 3 / 5 or more of the original lineup including the key founding members, you can keep the band's name. Stones with Jagger, Richards, and Watts still feels like the Stones.

AC /DC and VH are more complicated. I think AC DC pulled the lead singer change off better than anyone and were able to continue to be artistically and commercially relevant. I hate Sammy Hagar but VH was still huge in the late 80s.

Skynyrd though always seemed like a tribute band though. Bear in mind, the only founding member killed on the plane was Ronnie VZ. Gary didn't join until like 1976. Maybe if they has brought in Ronnie's brother right after the crash and decided to keep on going it would have felt different. Something more akin to what AC DC did when their front man died.

I read that Cassie had actually booked a reservation for a commercial flight but then at the last minute joined the band mates on the plane. She was very worried about the 10' sparks coming out of an engine two days earlier.

Ronnie shamed her onto the flight. Weird shit. Billy Powell said she died in his arms, then it was Artemis, then Billy recanted.

YellowSnow

JoeEDangerously said:

Ed King was an underrated songwriter for them. He left and they put out Gimme Back My Bullets. Has some clunkers on it. Struck gold with Steve Gaines then tragedy hit.

It was probably cool when they reunited with Johnny on vocals the first time around and Ricky Medlocke is fucking great but they’re a glorified tribute band now. Gary was always #3 talent wise but knew how to ride the coattails. Still, I think they’re top 3-5 greatest American rock bands of all time

Cause incense and peppermints @JoeEDangerously ?

YellowSnow

Fenderbender123 said:

If you think Skynard is bad, look at the current Beach Boys line-up.

Mike Love is the greatest villain in the history of rock. Fucking square.

Joey

YellowSnow said:

Fenderbender123 said:

If you think Skynard is bad, look at the current Beach Boys line-up.

Mike Love is the greatest villain in the history of rock. Fucking square.

He plays air saxophone in the Kokomo video… fucking Air… Saxophone.

Joey

YellowSnow said:

JoeEDangerously said:

Ed King was an underrated songwriter for them. He left and they put out Gimme Back My Bullets. Has some clunkers on it. Struck gold with Steve Gaines then tragedy hit.

It was probably cool when they reunited with Johnny on vocals the first time around and Ricky Medlocke is fucking great but they’re a glorified tribute band now. Gary was always #3 talent wise but knew how to ride the coattails. Still, I think they’re top 3-5 greatest American rock bands of all time

Cause incense and peppermints @JoeEDangerously ?

Strawberry Alarm Clock must’ve been a guilty pleasure for Ronnie