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Nord Stream pipeline leaks raise suspicions of sabotage

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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,980



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,278 Standard Supporter



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot



    The Throbber is neutral with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

    Both countries have nice titties.

  • RatherBeBrewingRatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    FTD isn’t just Fuck the Ducks. Gazprom has contracts, failure to deliver short of act of God or failure on receiver triggers penalties. Gazprom wouldn’t pay, but they and subsidiaries have a multitude of assets to seize all over the EU and UK.

    What: The Russians cut gas delivery to Europe by 75% on June 1. Before the break the pressure was at 20 cubic meters instead of the usual 170. Nat gas prices in the EU have doubled. Russia has blamed technical
    difficulties to excuse themselves while also openly admitting why it’s reducing supply.

    Why: Response to sanctions and support for Ukraine. Putin literally explained this in the most black and white terms: Europeans will have to be cold this winter and their economy will be hurt.

    How: It was almost certainly rigged with explosives in multiple places, likely planted by Russian underwater drones back in June from ships that violated Denmark’s territory. Putin says the Anglo-Saxons did it.

    Is Putin crazy? People are starting to understand that Putin considers this an existential conflict and the West is the great Satan to him. He doesn’t give a fuck about lost income, and knew that the Euros were about to be independent of his energy because of this war within the next year or two - he just sped up the process to inflict maximum damage and weaken resolve.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,980
    edited October 2022



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot



    The Throbber is neutral with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

    Both countries have nice titties.

    Agreed

    I still may have to give the edge to Venezuela. I'm thinking we must create a nonprofit of importing hot chicks

    And freeing shakira
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,278 Standard Supporter



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    FTD isn’t just Fuck the Ducks. Gazprom has contracts, failure to deliver short of act of God or failure on receiver triggers penalties. Gazprom wouldn’t pay, but they and subsidiaries have a multitude of assets to seize all over the EU and UK.

    What: The Russians cut gas delivery to Europe by 75% on June 1. Before the break the pressure was at 20 cubic meters instead of the usual 170. Nat gas prices in the EU have doubled. Russia has blamed technical
    difficulties to excuse themselves while also openly admitting why it’s reducing supply.

    Why: Response to sanctions and support for Ukraine. Putin literally explained this in the most black and white terms: Europeans will have to be cold this winter and their economy will be hurt.

    How: It was almost certainly rigged with explosives in multiple places, likely planted by Russian underwater drones back in June from ships that violated Denmark’s territory. Putin says the Anglo-Saxons did it.

    Is Putin crazy? People are starting to understand that Putin considers this an existential conflict and the West is the great Satan to him. He doesn’t give a fuck about lost income, and knew that the Euros were about to be independent of his energy because of this war within the next year or two - he just sped up the process to inflict maximum damage and weaken resolve.
    Ok. Enjoy the war. Ukraine 🇺🇦 flag guys need to be drafted first.

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,402 Standard Supporter



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot



    The Throbber is neutral with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

    Both countries have nice titties.

    Agreed

    I still may have to give the edge to Venezuela. I'm thinking we must create a nonprofit of importing hot chicks

    And freeing shakira
    Vikings did a great job of spreading their genes across Europe.
  • RezMuttJeffRezMuttJeff Member Posts: 89
    edited October 2022
    General “Buck” Turgidson: Mr. President, if I may speak freely, the Russkie talks big, but frankly, we think he’s short of know how. I mean, you just can’t expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys. And that’s not meant as an insult, Mr. Ambassador, I mean, you take your average Russkie, we all know how much guts he’s got. Hell, lookit all them them the Nazis killed off and they still wouldn’t quit.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978

    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Wow…takes a special kinda stupid to convince oneself the Russians would blow up their own line in a location and way that would permanently damage large chunks of the line rendering it useless forever…
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot



    The Throbber is neutral with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

    Both countries have nice titties.

    Agreed

    I still may have to give the edge to Venezuela. I'm thinking we must create a nonprofit of importing hot chicks

    And freeing shakira
    Top chick head to square and chin too weak. Bottom chick just looks mean with the dead eyes.

    Pass.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,969 Standard Supporter
    We may never know but this is at least interesting. One needs to read it. Open source data on Navy P8 that could have done the dead.

    https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-nord-stream-2-pipeline-sabotage
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,278 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:



    The Russians did it. Act of god, force majeure, the sacred Gazprom cow has been untouchable but if they ever restart energy sales in the future they don’t want to pay any penalties.

    They had the pressure in it down to almost nil for weeks, they cut the main overland route though Ukraine. Germany had already filled their reserves, and Putin is in his end game and he wanted to make sure the “West” understands - since half of the EU are a particularly Pollyanna type of optimistic dimwits.

    Putin had his most unhinged moment to date, in his annexation ceremony today. Busiest week since February. Trying to mobilize a million Russians, while a third of a million men or more have fled in just one week. It’s beyond belief, but the Ukrainians have turned his army into cat food. I never thought it would happen, but the only way they might be able to stop this is with a small nuke and see what the reaction is.

    Penalties for what? Restarting their own gas line? To sell a product that the Euros needs so they don't freeze to death or go broke trying?

    Failure to maintain the pipeline which cause the explosion makes sense. The Russians have zero motivation otherwise to blow up their own cash cow.



    Whatever bigot



    The Throbber is neutral with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

    Both countries have nice titties.

    Agreed

    I still may have to give the edge to Venezuela. I'm thinking we must create a nonprofit of importing hot chicks

    And freeing shakira
    Top chick head to square and chin too weak. Bottom chick just looks mean with the dead eyes.

    Pass.
    Liar liar pants on fire.

    They all look the same horizontal in the dark.

  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,860 Swaye's Wigwam
    I work in oil and gas and there's lots of obvious industry convos going on rn.

    This would not have taken "special ops". This would have taken a specialized dive team and a decent sized fishing boat if done intentionally. Everyone with a motivation to do so could have pulled it off from small countries to corporations or something in between.

    That said, agree with other post, Gazprom having a major accident on a pipeline that has been shut in is 81% likely. Some of the first people to gtfo of Russia were all the oil and gas people with all the know how.

    I think it was Schlumberger that was the major servicer for Gazprom that hit the doors first so basically Russia has no one with any actual knowledge to maintain any of their systems. These idiots can't maintain a bmp for fuck's sake. Everyone in the industry said it was just a matter of time until something major happened and that was back in February.

    Pipelines need maintenance services that are fairly specialized especially gas lines and undersea lines. I know, I'm literally running an integrity project on a line this week.

    Don't be surprised if their pipeline to China blows up at some point as well. Intervention by "special ops" or not.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    hardhat said:


    Water is wet?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    edited December 2022
    It was the US. Natural Gas is the enemy. Most of the largest US cities have banned new installations. And the export of LNG had already doubled since 2 years before this and will triple by spring 2023. Which has caused an immediate 15% price increase with another 10% coming in the Spring.
    Making a select few incredibly rich.


    The whole West Coast has banned sales of gas powered vehicles in 12 years.

    If you are below median income.
    Your? Government is trying to make you stay in place and freeze you out.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,076 Founders Club
    Putin has
    Kaepsknee said:

    It was the US. Natural Gas is the enemy. Most of the largest US cities have banned new installations. And the export of LNG had already doubled since 2 years before this and will triple by spring 2023. Which has caused an immediate 15% price increase with another 10% coming in the Spring.
    Making a select few incredibly rich.


    The whole West Coast has banned sales of gas powered vehicles in 12 years.

    If you are below median income.
    Your? Government is trying to make you stay in place and freeze you out.

    Yeah but Trump lost so it's cool

    Those MAGA fucks just want to screw up what's best for us according to our betters
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,972 Standard Supporter
    It's nice to be free enough to do whatever my Woke Liberal Overlords deem as appropriate and responsible behavior.

    Mostly while they get rich off whatever that is, of course at my expense.
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