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Kansas and now Oklahoma

2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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Lol tax cuts work. That's what I keep hearing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-confronts-another-failed-tax-experiment-oklahoma-155508531--election.html
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  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,961
    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HoustonHusky said:

    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS

    As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.

    HTH but I know it won't.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,454 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS

    As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.

    Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.

    Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.

    The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders.

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    PurpleThrobber said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS

    As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.

    Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.

    Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.

    The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders.

    Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.
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  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.

    “My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”

    Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.

    “The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”

    Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
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  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,961
    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.

    Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

    And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.

    But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS...
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  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    HoustonHusky said:

    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.

    Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

    And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.

    But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS...
    Just stop.

    Bringing facts that weren't in the Yahoo article is just too much.

    Tax cuts should not be social welfare.

    Oklahoma and Kansas are not desirable places to live, and the taxes ended up being social welfare.

    I also have no sympathy for state employees who want higher wages.
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  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.

    “My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”

    Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.

    “The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”

    Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
    I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.

    calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/

    And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.

    According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent.
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:



    HoustonHusky said:

    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.

    Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
    https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

    And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.

    But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS...
    Just stop.

    Bringing facts that weren't in the Yahoo article is just too much.

    Tax cuts should not be social welfare.

    Oklahoma and Kansas are not desirable places to live, and the taxes ended up being social welfare.

    I also have no sympathy for state employees who want higher wages.
    Again you miss the point.
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  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,493
    Slow day?
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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,823
    2001400ex said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS

    As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.

    Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.

    Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.

    The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders.

    Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.
    Money spent per capita in primary education rarely translates to results on the field.
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...

    HondoFS

    As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.

    HTH but I know it won't.
    The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.

    Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.

    Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.

    The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders.

    Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.
    Money spent per capita in the military rarely translates to results on the field.
    FIFY
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.

    “My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”

    Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.

    “The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”

    Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
    I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.

    calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/

    And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.

    According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent.
    It's from 2012 like you said. Since then, how many businesses have actually relocated to Texas? Lol topdawgFS
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  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.

    There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.

    Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.

    A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.

    Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.

    NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.

    Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.

    The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.

    “My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”

    Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.

    “The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”

    Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
    I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.

    calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/

    And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.

    According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent.
    It's from 2012 like you said. Since then, how many businesses have actually relocated to Texas? Lol topdawgFS
    Uh ... it was written this passed weak.

    I kinda wish California folk would quit fleeing that Godless state for my beautiful Gawd Favored home state.

    The pinkos bring their voting habits with them.

    Now if they want to vote in legal weed, I'm all for it.

    But keep your liberal taxation and regulation and sanctuary city lovin votes in Cali.
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