Dontae McMillan, 3* 2019 RB, Seattle (Chief Sealth), WA

HillsboroDuck said:

Domicillo said:

HillsboroDuck said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

HillsboroDuck said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

HillsboroDuck said:

WeakarmCobra said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

We should take this fucker over KPatt and move Draco to TE. This kid is special man but his potential gets kind of unlocked by being developed under Pete.


Which means we’ll never take him.......

sad thing, we no longer recruit kids like kevin king. he would never get offered today by UW. Even though he is fucking beast. Too developmental

This is one of DDY's dumber complaints, so I shouldn't be surprised you're plagiarisming it.

There are some things to complain about with our recruiting right now, but DB recruiting is not one of them.

In Jimmy Lake I Trust.

This isn’t about DB or Jimmy Lake. This is about Pete’s recruiting limiting the opportunities given to at-risk, underprivileged black athletes behind the cloak of “OKG” when in reality Budda Baker, Kevin King, and Keishawn Bierria, some of the kids who were the least OKG coming out of high school, turned out to be, not only the most successful players on the field, but the most charismatic leaders in the community off the field. Every single one of us thinks the Sark recruits that got to play under Pete is what our ceiling should look like.



Most character issue players commit bad violations because they are surrounded by people that condone and enable their behavior. Pete and his coaches do not. That has trickled down to the players holding each other countable and forming bonds so powerful that Myles gaskin doesn’t only say he supports Jake but also says that he’s an amazing quarterback. Think of how strong that bond must be for such a smart guy like Myles to publicly state something so delusional. Of course you’re going to get bad apples like Kentrell Love, Sr. Azeem, Camilo Eifler, but did any of those players leave a black eye on how people view the integrity of UDUB? Hell no. There is absolutely zero difference in Kentrell Love leaving the team, and Amandre Williams from Tahoma leaving? If those are the only 3 bad apples think about all the players who could’ve easily been that way if not for Pete. I support Marcus peters being kicked off the team because he had to build this culture. But now that the culture has been instilled, I have a really hard time believing that Jack Jones would’ve robbed a Panda Express at gun point after spending a year being mentored by the DB’s of 2016. Not only mentored but also motivated after seeing all those kids from tough backgrounds get drafted in high in the NFL draft.



That’s what this is all about. UDUB football scholarships are lottery tickets. Pete should feel the most accomplished seeing Budda Baker be a stud in the NFL awhile his brother was in jail and has now tragically been killed thinking that could’ve been Budda if not for “Built for Life”. He should feel the most rewarded getting the next version of jack jones and putting him in a room full of coaches who are gonna be like parents he never had, and a room full of brothers that love him so much they won’t let him cheat on his own success. Pete wanted to kick Azeem off the team before his first violation only a couple months after the fiesta bowl. Was it to save him for the next year that he probably wouldn’t do much in because of the injury? No because he knew where his life would go without being on this team. Then the first violation came and Pete would’ve done it if not for KB stepping in. That’s why KB is the goat. Neither would be recruited by Pete today.



Instead of focusing on kids who are already built for life and will work hard because their support system has already instilled great values in them, he should recruit the best athlete who NEED to be built for life and starving for someone to give that to them along with a lottery like opportunity they are so desperate for, they have no choice but to work hard.

I get this.

But pounding the table for "we would never take Kevin King at this point" is dumb when every DB we take turns to gold.

I disagree with the idea we wouldn't take Budda BTW. He would still be a Husky. But again, DB is tits.

The Bierria complaint is much more spot on, but doesn't sound as potent because Bierria struggled as a senior. Saying "we'd never take Kevin King" is inflammatory because who tf doesn't love Kevin King? But the reality is we are getting kids just as good, if not better on a regular basis at that position with the current strategy so who cares?

Other positions (like LB), not so much.

Agree with everything youre saying about UW continuing to be good but it’s not about position or even names, its more to a point of an overall strategy not actively recruiting kids “like” Kevin King, not King as the player but rather as the personal and their surroundings. Even this year Austin Jones, whos from the same area as Kevin and went to the same high school as Kevin, we dropped him despite being 1000 times the prospect Kevin was, and didn’t recruit Jevon Holland last year at a position of need. It’s not about positional fit we’re talking about not limiting ourselves.

I’m all in for hating dropping Austin Jones. Best back in America. Will finish second in the Heisman at Stanford rather easily.

I don’t think we droooed him because he wasn’t OKG enough though, do you? I mean he had Stanford #1 throughout the process. If anything he was too OKG.

I thought we just got beat for Holland, I don’t remember dropping him. But yeah he was my favorite corner last year besides Dom.

I think @LaMichael_Corleone would point out that the fact people associate (joking or not) the pinnacle of OKG as having admission/interest in Stanford is part of the larger problem/conversation here. That the inherent aspects of privilege and nature v. nurture that seem to be applied to the types of guys we’re recruiting now and how that projects on the program itself.

Well if he would then this has become the ultimate circular bitchfest. We can't at once bitch that we dropped Austin Jones because he doesn't fit our recruiting profile and simultaneously bitch that a kid like Austin Jones is the ultimate fit for our recruiting profile.

I get people are frustrated with the OKG approach but the willingness to bitch about it from all sides is getting ridiculous. Eventually all the complaints start to lose merit because they have no consistency whatsoever.

OKG is why we have lost out on some kids. It's not why we lose out on every kid. Blaming every lost kid on the OKG philosophy and bringing OKG into every bitch session dilutes the impact of the complaint.

It's almost as meaningless as doog at this point.

Domicillo said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Domicillo said:

HillsboroDuck said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

HillsboroDuck said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

HillsboroDuck said:

WeakarmCobra said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

We should take this fucker over KPatt and move Draco to TE. This kid is special man but his potential gets kind of unlocked by being developed under Pete.


Which means we’ll never take him.......

sad thing, we no longer recruit kids like kevin king. he would never get offered today by UW. Even though he is fucking beast. Too developmental

This is one of DDY's dumber complaints, so I shouldn't be surprised you're plagiarisming it.

There are some things to complain about with our recruiting right now, but DB recruiting is not one of them.

In Jimmy Lake I Trust.

This isn’t about DB or Jimmy Lake. This is about Pete’s recruiting limiting the opportunities given to at-risk, underprivileged black athletes behind the cloak of “OKG” when in reality Budda Baker, Kevin King, and Keishawn Bierria, some of the kids who were the least OKG coming out of high school, turned out to be, not only the most successful players on the field, but the most charismatic leaders in the community off the field. Every single one of us thinks the Sark recruits that got to play under Pete is what our ceiling should look like.



Most character issue players commit bad violations because they are surrounded by people that condone and enable their behavior. Pete and his coaches do not. That has trickled down to the players holding each other countable and forming bonds so powerful that Myles gaskin doesn’t only say he supports Jake but also says that he’s an amazing quarterback. Think of how strong that bond must be for such a smart guy like Myles to publicly state something so delusional. Of course you’re going to get bad apples like Kentrell Love, Sr. Azeem, Camilo Eifler, but did any of those players leave a black eye on how people view the integrity of UDUB? Hell no. There is absolutely zero difference in Kentrell Love leaving the team, and Amandre Williams from Tahoma leaving? If those are the only 3 bad apples think about all the players who could’ve easily been that way if not for Pete. I support Marcus peters being kicked off the team because he had to build this culture. But now that the culture has been instilled, I have a really hard time believing that Jack Jones would’ve robbed a Panda Express at gun point after spending a year being mentored by the DB’s of 2016. Not only mentored but also motivated after seeing all those kids from tough backgrounds get drafted in high in the NFL draft.



That’s what this is all about. UDUB football scholarships are lottery tickets. Pete should feel the most accomplished seeing Budda Baker be a stud in the NFL awhile his brother was in jail and has now tragically been killed thinking that could’ve been Budda if not for “Built for Life”. He should feel the most rewarded getting the next version of jack jones and putting him in a room full of coaches who are gonna be like parents he never had, and a room full of brothers that love him so much they won’t let him cheat on his own success. Pete wanted to kick Azeem off the team before his first violation only a couple months after the fiesta bowl. Was it to save him for the next year that he probably wouldn’t do much in because of the injury? No because he knew where his life would go without being on this team. Then the first violation came and Pete would’ve done it if not for KB stepping in. That’s why KB is the goat. Neither would be recruited by Pete today.



Instead of focusing on kids who are already built for life and will work hard because their support system has already instilled great values in them, he should recruit the best athlete who NEED to be built for life and starving for someone to give that to them along with a lottery like opportunity they are so desperate for, they have no choice but to work hard.

I get this.

But pounding the table for "we would never take Kevin King at this point" is dumb when every DB we take turns to gold.

I disagree with the idea we wouldn't take Budda BTW. He would still be a Husky. But again, DB is tits.

The Bierria complaint is much more spot on, but doesn't sound as potent because Bierria struggled as a senior. Saying "we'd never take Kevin King" is inflammatory because who tf doesn't love Kevin King? But the reality is we are getting kids just as good, if not better on a regular basis at that position with the current strategy so who cares?

Other positions (like LB), not so much.

Agree with everything youre saying about UW continuing to be good but it’s not about position or even names, its more to a point of an overall strategy not actively recruiting kids “like” Kevin King, not King as the player but rather as the personal and their surroundings. Even this year Austin Jones, whos from the same area as Kevin and went to the same high school as Kevin, we dropped him despite being 1000 times the prospect Kevin was, and didn’t recruit Jevon Holland last year at a position of need. It’s not about positional fit we’re talking about not limiting ourselves.

I’m all in for hating dropping Austin Jones. Best back in America. Will finish second in the Heisman at Stanford rather easily.

I don’t think we droooed him because he wasn’t OKG enough though, do you? I mean he had Stanford #1 throughout the process. If anything he was too OKG.

I thought we just got beat for Holland, I don’t remember dropping him. But yeah he was my favorite corner last year besides Dom.

I think @LaMichael_Corleone would point out that the fact people associate (joking or not) the pinnacle of OKG as having admission/interest in Stanford is part of the larger problem/conversation here. That the inherent aspects of privilege and nature v. nurture that seem to be applied to the types of guys we’re recruiting now and how that projects on the program itself.

Well if he would then this has become the ultimate circular bitchfest. We can't at once bitch that we dropped Austin Jones because he doesn't fit our recruiting profile and simultaneously bitch that a kid like Austin Jones is the ultimate fit for our recruiting profile.

I get people are frustrated with the OKG approach but the willingness to bitch about it from all sides is getting ridiculous. Eventually all the complaints start to lose merit because they have no consistency whatsoever.

OKG is why we have lost out on some kids. It's not why we lose out on every kid. Blaming every lost kid on the OKG philosophy and bringing OKG into every bitch session dilutes the impact of the complaint.

It's almost as meaningless as doog at this point.

You’re proving my point. I’d never argue that being admitted/interested in Stanford qualifies someone as being an OKG, you did. The term OKG is so vague that people apply it differently across the board.

However, the trends of Pete’s recruiting tell a different story; fewer kids from two black parent families, fewer kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds (but more Poly/white inner city/lower income kids than black)...

We’ve limited ourselves from recruiting kids from certain backgrounds/surroundings and that’s how I’m going to judge how OKG philosophy is actually being applied. I agree, OKGs can and should come from any walk of life, but Pete’s program has become more homogeneous by background with every year.

backthepack said:

Doogles said:

Tequilla said:

I have interacted with Kevin a lot ... always came off as a great guy to me. Yes, he has swag. But he’s also a great example of how OKGs can come from any walk of life

Yeah I never got the impression King was crazy fast strategy. Just because he is from Compton doesn't mean shit.

He was pretty soft spoken, insecure, and without confidence that first year at safety.

He would bitch out on hits all the time. I wish I could find the thread but after the cactus bowl I think it was Roaddawg and me calling for his switch to corner or sell the couch.

He wasn't some out of control rebel sarkboy.

But yeah he's from Compton so I guess that fits the Pete hates blacks agenda being pimped by you fucking idiots.

He’s from NorCal lol

Neighbor2972 said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Tequilla said:

The problem I have is when there is a suggestion that we aren’t recruiting McMillan for a reason tied to race or whatnot ... it’s just dangerous and IMO lazy to use that as a reason

1) We don’t know what the final class looks like and whether he will be in or out

2) If he isn’t at UW, we don’t know where he’s going to end up so let’s see if that materializes

The goal is to compile the best 85 on scholarship as possible ... I don’t honestly care where they come, what their skin color or religion is, how many moms/dads, etc they have. What I care about is that they buy into what Pete is selling and represent the UW well

But since we’re on the topic, but ummm why did we take Mosiah Nasili-Liu again?

He puts in a lot of work, he got that award or whatever for hardest worker

https://twitter.com/KingRobinsonFSP/status/1083416931854471170

He's going to be good

Neighbor2972 said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Thank

Neighbor2972 said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Tequilla said:

The problem I have is when there is a suggestion that we aren’t recruiting McMillan for a reason tied to race or whatnot ... it’s just dangerous and IMO lazy to use that as a reason

1) We don’t know what the final class looks like and whether he will be in or out

2) If he isn’t at UW, we don’t know where he’s going to end up so let’s see if that materializes

The goal is to compile the best 85 on scholarship as possible ... I don’t honestly care where they come, what their skin color or religion is, how many moms/dads, etc they have. What I care about is that they buy into what Pete is selling and represent the UW well

But since we’re on the topic, but ummm why did we take Mosiah Nasili-Liu again?

He puts in a lot of work, he got that award or whatever for hardest worker

https://twitter.com/KingRobinsonFSP/status/1083416931854471170

He's going to be good

I doubt LMC disagrees, he’s just referring to the narrative that we only took Liu to start the Poly movement. It’s an interesting theory but I think the simplest explanation is we evaluate better than anybody and realized he was underrated at a time we weren’t hitting on our top guys. His race was a bonus if a factor at all.

It's been a few pages since I understood what was being argued in this thread

chuck said:

Fuck this thread turned into aids. Start a thread about the OKG shit and race. LMC, you admitted the debate you started didn't apply to McMillan. So why is it in his thread? Why the fuck are you bringing up a DL recruit from last year in his thread? Fuck dude. You start some decent discussions and make some points but they're poorly placed/timed.

JustWinNow said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Thank

Neighbor2972 said:

LaMichael_Corleone said:

Tequilla said:

The problem I have is when there is a suggestion that we aren’t recruiting McMillan for a reason tied to race or whatnot ... it’s just dangerous and IMO lazy to use that as a reason

1) We don’t know what the final class looks like and whether he will be in or out

2) If he isn’t at UW, we don’t know where he’s going to end up so let’s see if that materializes

The goal is to compile the best 85 on scholarship as possible ... I don’t honestly care where they come, what their skin color or religion is, how many moms/dads, etc they have. What I care about is that they buy into what Pete is selling and represent the UW well

But since we’re on the topic, but ummm why did we take Mosiah Nasili-Liu again?

He puts in a lot of work, he got that award or whatever for hardest worker

https://twitter.com/KingRobinsonFSP/status/1083416931854471170

He's going to be good

I doubt LMC disagrees, he’s just referring to the narrative that we only took Liu to start the Poly movement. It’s an interesting theory but I think the simplest explanation is we evaluate better than anybody and realized he was underrated at a time we weren’t hitting on our top guys. His race was a bonus if a factor at all.

Like, my opinion man don't matter. But even if we only took him to start the poly movement he was worth it. Maybe since he saw the amount of talent coming in he decided to step it up! Hope he can contribute. Doog fingers crossed!