Official collapsing house of cards thread
Dec. 9, 2018
In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:
“I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.
“If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.
Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”
Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.
The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.
Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.
If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”
Dec. 14, 2018
Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.
Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.
Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.
Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.
Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.
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The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”
The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.
“Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.
It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House. -
This is why you don't ever talk to law enforcement.
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And when they say you don't need a lawyer you need a lawyerUW_Doog_Bot said:This is why you don't ever talk to law enforcement.
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Fuck. I thought this was going to be a thread about Claire Underwood's saggy tits.
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Entrapment!
This is the work of the same legion of evildoers that brought us Spygate, the dossier, and FISA abuse. The Deep State abounds and ridicules REAL Americans.
@USMChawk informs us that “facts are being revealed.”
@Dude61 tells us US DA Huber will be bringing indictments against Hillary, Comey, rice, and holder by late summer early spring. Is gitmo ready?!?1!!
@TurdBuffer has legal expertise to explain that every Stormy Daniel NDA violation, now totaling $25mm and counting, will ruin her!
Sledbob won’t be with us forever and with them goes every ignorant, bigoted, backward notion backstopping their futile lives.
Doogie wonders what happens to US 3-star Generals then serving as NSA when he lies to the FBI in an interview.
Witch hunt!! MAGA?
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Poor LowIQCirrho. Still can't get over Hillary's loss to Trump.
Normally I'd tell a person in your position to man up, but who are we kidding? -
Who can’t get over trump beating Hillary? Who even mentioned it?TurdBuffer said:Poor LowIQCirrho. Still can't get over Hillary's loss to Trump.
Normally I'd tell a person in your position to man up, but who are we kidding?
You aren’t kidding anyone sweetheart.
Are stormy’s NDA violations adding up at $1 million per? Is she financially ruined? Did you predict it? Is your truck fixed? -
Well, so much for “entrapment.”
Is the house of cards still collapsing? Will Mexico pay for the house of cards because they certainly aren’t paying for a border wall? Nor are us taxpayers. Maybe the trump foundation will (lol!).
Back to spygate, fisa abuse, and Hillary-Russia collusion Trumptards.
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Former national security adviser Michael Flynn stood by his plea in federal court Tuesday after pleading guilty more than a year ago to making false statements to the FBI.
Before sentencing, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan called Flynn and his attorneys to the stand and asked a series of questions to ensure Flynn did in fact want to plead guilty. Flynn said he did not want to withdraw his plea.
The bureau has faced mounting criticism from Trump allies in recent days over its handling of the original Flynn interview that led to the false-statement charge, after it was revealed bureau leaders discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present and some inside the FBI had doubts about whether he intentionally lied. Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team defended investigators' actions, but also urged a lenient sentence.
Ahead of the hearing, Mueller's team recommended that Flynn be spared jail time, citing his cooperation with the special counsel probe as part of a deal with prosecutors in December 2017.
You have to be pretty stupid to think this is justice in America. Fortunately we have stupid people here -
I really hope you are watching the sentencing hearing.RaceBannon said:Former national security adviser Michael Flynn stood by his plea in federal court Tuesday after pleading guilty more than a year ago to making false statements to the FBI.
Before sentencing, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan called Flynn and his attorneys to the stand and asked a series of questions to ensure Flynn did in fact want to plead guilty. Flynn said he did not want to withdraw his plea.
The bureau has faced mounting criticism from Trump allies in recent days over its handling of the original Flynn interview that led to the false-statement charge, after it was revealed bureau leaders discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present and some inside the FBI had doubts about whether he intentionally lied. Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team defended investigators' actions, but also urged a lenient sentence.
Ahead of the hearing, Mueller's team recommended that Flynn be spared jail time, citing his cooperation with the special counsel probe as part of a deal with prosecutors in December 2017.
You have to be pretty stupid to think this is justice in America. Fortunately we have stupid people here
Judge Sullivan says: “you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country serving as nsa to the potus”
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Look who proved me right
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The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”RaceBannon said:Look who proved me right
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Must be one of those Mexican Obama "judges"
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If either of you pretended to give a shit about equal application of the law I might value your opinion more than the used piece of toilet paper I flushed this morning
So serious he got no time
Your candidate that lost acted as an unregistered agent of a foreign country to help launch this phony investigation
Be proud -
Your candidate that lost acted as an unregistered agent of a foreign country to help launch this phony investigation
You don't understand the Kunt logic defense Race. Since Hillary isn't in jail this never really happened although all of them are too big a coward to actually come out and clearly make that statement. -
If you all get nothing else, ever, out of my presence here, get this: don't agree to that. Not ever, under any circumstances. Get a lawyer, and not a pretend one like me. A real one who knows how to handle law enforcement. I've been in rooms where the DOJ is going after pretty powerful, or at least very wealthy, people, and even with their attorneys present, you could see the fear in their eyes. All the bravado washes away, even with the really tuff guys like bobsled. It's no joke. The feds, in particular, are cold-hearted killers. They have no emotion, no humor, no empathy, no "we get it", no "I don't blame you, but," no humanity, nothing to indicate you are talking to another real person. All they want to do is pin your ass to wheel and throw you in the slammer. The more money you make, the more motivated they are to hang you.RaceBannon said:https://foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline
Dec. 9, 2018
In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:
“I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.
“If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.
Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”
Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.
The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.
Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.
If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”
Dec. 14, 2018
Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.
Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.
Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.
Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.
Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.
Never, ever go it alone. No matter what they promise, you get what you deserve if you go in naked. -
Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.RaceBannon said:The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”
The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.
“Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.
It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House. -
He’s a guy that lived his life in the military, not in politics, so his personal experience was much more trusting than it should have been. Although, at the General level, there is a lot of exposure to politics/politicians, so it is a hard to understand. Rookie mistake sums it up perfectly.creepycoug said:
Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.RaceBannon said:The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”
The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.
“Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.
It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House. -
The wallet card version: if the feds want to talk to you, it is because they want your help hanging (1) you or (2) someone else. There is no other motive, ever.USMChawk said:
He’s a guy that lived his life in the military, not in politics, so his personal experience was much more trusting than it should have been. Although, at the General level, there is a lot of exposure to politics/politicians, so it is a hard to understand. Rookie mistake sums it up perfectly.creepycoug said:
Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.RaceBannon said:The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”
The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.
“Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.
It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House. -
Nobody is a big enough retard to believe Flynn didn't know any better than to talk to the FBI without counsel.
The judge on the case thinks Flynn is s huge piece of shit.
Sounds to me like Flynn served up some real dirt.
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You libs just can’t keep from Lying, can you.CirrhosisDawg said:
The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”RaceBannon said:Look who proved me right
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"I was just trying to determine the benefit and the generosity of the government," Sullivan said. "Don't read too much into the questions I ask." Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack said Mueller's team has "no concern" or no reason to think Flynn committed treason.
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The judge has since apologized for this statement and has his facts wrong about Flynn. He was not an UFA while serving at NSA.CirrhosisDawg said:
The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”RaceBannon said:Look who proved me right
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Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today and continues to cooperate with mueller regarding the ongoing Turkish extradition charge (in and about which Flynn also acknowledged lying to theDude61 said:
The judge has since apologized for this statement and has his facts wrong about Flynn. He was not an UFA while serving at NSA.CirrhosisDawg said:
The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”RaceBannon said:Look who proved me right
FBI.)
I can’t wait for Huber to weigh in on behalf of equal American justice. Any day now or late fall?
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Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today
Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common. -
You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?SFGbob said:Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today
Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.
Like you’ll answer the questions you coward... -
Have survived questioning. Fuckers are as you said, after nothing else than to put someone in jail [full stop] Don't be the easiest mark for them to do this to.creepycoug said:
If you all get nothing else, ever, out of my presence here, get this: don't agree to that. Not ever, under any circumstances. Get a lawyer, and not a pretend one like me. A real one who knows how to handle law enforcement. I've been in rooms where the DOJ is going after pretty powerful, or at least very wealthy, people, and even with their attorneys present, you could see the fear in their eyes. All the bravado washes away, even with the really tuff guys like bobsled. It's no joke. The feds, in particular, are cold-hearted killers. They have no emotion, no humor, no empathy, no "we get it", no "I don't blame you, but," no humanity, nothing to indicate you are talking to another real person. All they want to do is pin your ass to wheel and throw you in the slammer. The more money you make, the more motivated they are to hang you.RaceBannon said:https://foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline
Dec. 9, 2018
In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:
“I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.
“If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.
Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”
Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.
The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.
Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.
If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”
Dec. 14, 2018
Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.
Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.
Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.
Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.
Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.
Never, ever go it alone. No matter what they promise, you get what you deserve if you go in naked.
Have also "survived" having a friend working for the DOJ. Wowzahs to that whole god damn lot. I'm not sure who is worse, the morally righteous crusaders or the guys as corrupt as the Mexican PFP. -
Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.CirrhosisDawg said:
You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?SFGbob said:Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today
Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.
Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
Here read the statute yourself Kunt.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.
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Why waste your time with LowIQCirrho? Seriously. His ignorance of how things work is so profound that even backhanding him is teaching him more than he'd ever learn on his own.SFGbob said:
Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.CirrhosisDawg said:
You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?SFGbob said:Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today
Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.
Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
Here read the statute yourself Kunt.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.
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Well fuck, look at this.TurdBuffer said:
Why waste your time with LowIQCirrho? Seriously. His ignorance of how things work is so profound that even backhanding him is teaching him more than he'd ever learn on his own.SFGbob said:
Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.CirrhosisDawg said:
You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?SFGbob said:Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today
Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.
Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
Here read the statute yourself Kunt.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.
His is one case where beating the subject actually helps it. Stop doing him favors.
Very hurtful.
I thought we were friends.
Fixed your truck?
