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Real reason for tariffs

Sledog
Sledog Member Posts: 37,908 Standard Supporter
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For our military of course. Strategic materials and manufacturing are important.

http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO12Nov2018.php
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    MikeDamone said:

    The tariffs are anti free market and bullshit.

    Agreed!! Wanna cyber?
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Can I agree with SledoogFS and MikDabone?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,908 Standard Supporter
    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,908 Standard Supporter
    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
    And what would you suggest?
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Sledog said:

    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
    And what would you suggest?
    Maybe read the DoD report mentioned in the article that you posted. It lays out a laundry list of recommendations. Most require additional spending. None require tariffs.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Any possible way the tariffs against China are a way to persuade them to crack down on intellectual property theft?

    Is there any way to punish China for this theft without using tariffs?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MikeDamone said:

    The tariffs are anti free market and bullshit.

    Agreed but for how they should be used as a punishment against Chinese theft of our technology. Really dumb move to use them against allies or to prop up segments of the economy.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Sledog said:

    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
    And what would you suggest?
    Killing yourself.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
    And what would you suggest?
    Maybe read the DoD report mentioned in the article that you posted. It lays out a laundry list of recommendations. Most require additional spending. None require tariffs.
    SledoogFS
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,673 Standard Supporter
    Leftards and RINOs have ignored chicom intellectual property theft for decades. Why didn't Barry use smart diplomacy and a reset button to convince the chicoms to play nice? No need to answer, rhetorical question.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,908 Standard Supporter
    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    RedRocket said:

    Sledog said:

    Can't buy weapons or materials from countries your fighting. HTH

    Tariffs are a ham handed way to prop up the military industrial base. HTH
    And what would you suggest?
    Maybe read the DoD report mentioned in the article that you posted. It lays out a laundry list of recommendations. Most require additional spending. None require tariffs.
    The manufactures would be more competitive with the tariffs and not require handouts form uncle sugar. It also stimulates production of required strategic materials. Thought maybe you could figure that out. Guess not.
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    If you think tariffs are the solution to Chinese IP theft then you don't understand the scope of the problem. Most of the high value IP theft is through FDI or espionage. What will tariffs do to crack down on either of these? You really think China is going to stop spying on us if we craft a new trade agreement?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    I don't know if it's a "solution" to IP theft but it is a punishment where before there was none.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    edited November 2018
    RedRocket said:

    If you think tariffs are the solution to Chinese IP theft then you don't understand the scope of the problem. Most of the high value IP theft is through FDI or espionage. What will tariffs do to crack down on either of these? You really think China is going to stop spying on us if we craft a new trade agreement?

    They could crack down on their own companies from selling knock offs from stolen intellectual property. Unfortunately, the government is complacent with it.

    Everybody spies on everybody, but it's used more for military and political gain. China is a rarity as they use it in large part for economic gain. This is has been a major problem that has gone largely ignored by the last three presidential administrations. Finally, we have a president that wants to do something about it. If somebody here has a better way to have China cooperate with the enforcement of intellectual property laws I'm all for it. But tariffs seem to be the only weapon we have at our disposal. Any other suggestions?
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