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Eh who needs FEMA right now anyway

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  • SquirtSquirt Member Posts: 485
    SFGbob said:

    I do not believe that we constituted a Federal Government to pay for the certainties in life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. The Founders faced all of these same realities when they created our Constitution and there were no provisions for the Federal government to pay for grandma's hip replacement today and or leeches and mercury enemas then.

    I think there's room in the Constitution for it. But I get the federalism argument. What if we take the federal government out of it? The Democratic candidate for governor in Florida has proposed a coalition of states creating a single-payer system. What if the voters of individual states elect governors and legislators who promise to enact that sort of program?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    2001400ex said:

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    We've already been over this. General Welfare were things like canals, roads and ports. Not grandma's hip replacement. Paying for someone's hip replacement isn't part of any "general" welfare. You think because they used the word "welfare" they were talking about Food stamps.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,675 Founders Club

    Will be @Swaye this weekend when Florence hits. I'll have to text him game updates again.
    Just heard on the newz the latest models have it turning away from Virginia and clobbering Georgia instead. Crack meterologists at Orkin are telling us to prepare for about 5 or so inches of rain Friday and Saturday. I am sure this will change when REAL God realizes I might make it out of this okay and the storm will turn again and my trailer will float away with me tied to the roof.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,675 Founders Club

    Lol you've never seen the Katrina beer looter guy? That was like one of the original internet memes

    Guess that DSL is hard to come by on the rez
    I'm not taking shit from a guy who takes an Uber for a Gordita Crunch Wrap. THIS WILL NOT STAND!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    We've already been over this. General Welfare were things like canals, roads and ports. Not grandma's hip replacement. Paying for someone's hip replacement isn't part of any "general" welfare. You think because they used the word "welfare" they were talking about Food stamps.
    SCOTUS disagrees with you.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,155 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    Just heard on the newz the latest models have it turning away from Virginia and clobbering Georgia instead. Crack meterologists at Orkin are telling us to prepare for about 5 or so inches of rain Friday and Saturday. I am sure this will change when REAL God realizes I might make it out of this okay and the storm will turn again and my trailer will float away with me tied to the roof.


    Let's just hope #mycocks stay safe.


  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    Swaye said:

    Just heard on the newz the latest models have it turning away from Virginia and clobbering Georgia instead. Crack meterologists at Orkin are telling us to prepare for about 5 or so inches of rain Friday and Saturday. I am sure this will change when REAL God realizes I might make it out of this okay and the storm will turn again and my trailer will float away with me tied to the roof.
    Funny enough I just realized we have a fucking night game FS Larry Scott. I have concert tickets so I will be SOL on watching the game live. I will be on social media and phone lock down until I get home and can watch Jake Browning blow our chances at a PAC12 title on a recording.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457



    Let's just hope #mycocks stay safe.


    Killer body. But face too tall. Like John Kerry.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,675 Founders Club

    Funny enough I just realized we have a fucking night game FS Larry Scott. I have concert tickets so I will be SOL on watching the game live. I will be on social media and phone lock down until I get home and can watch Jake Browning blow our chances at a PAC12 title on a recording.
    Great. @dnc is dead so no sexts from him either. Who will get me through this storm with sexts on how Browning is shitting all over the field at altitude?
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,675 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Killer body. But face too tall. Like John Kerry.
    LOL. Sure.gif
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    You're such a lying dumbfuck Hondo. Now where did I say that the $500 Million figure was a prediction of what it would cost in each year going forward.
    That text is from the article (I'm too dumb to figure out why I can't scroll up to hit the italics on chrome on my phone) And you used that $500 million to state that Medicare should be $4 billion now..... So you translate that for me.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    2001400ex said:

    SCOTUS disagrees with you.
    Great, the SCOTUS also has said that slavery was legal and that it was okay to put American citizens into interment camps during WWII. Do you agree with the SCOTUS position on Citizen United Hondo? You're as stupid as your arguments.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    Squirt said:

    Why not? Is it skepticism about costs and results? Or are there additional reasons (freedom of individual choice, concerns about government dictating care and behavior)? Some combination?
    Beyond the federalist argument, as I have argued ad nauseam elsewhere, the government is stupidly inefficient. Centrally planned, or socialist, markets time and again fail to deliver efficient results. They produce higher costs, poorer service, lower utility, and less access. They lead to all kinds of moral hazards, free riders, and perverse incentives. It's also a prime way to create incentives for corruption in government and rent seeking among many other pitfalls.

    I just illustrated yesterday? how correlated rising healthcare costs(both public and private) are with the passage of medicaid, medicare, and government involvement in the market. It's called crowding out.

    P.s. I am pretty sure that I can make arguments against every insurance program you cited and that many of the failings you most likely subscribe to the free market are actually stage 2 or higher economic effects of those very government programs.
  • SquirtSquirt Member Posts: 485



    Let's just hope #mycocks stay safe.

    This is a more promising path for this thread than discussing Medicare while Hondo is interjecting.

    So:














  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,096 Founders Club

    Beyond the federalist argument, as I have argued ad nauseam elsewhere, the government is stupidly inefficient. Centrally planned, or socialist, markets time and again fail to deliver efficient results. They produce higher costs, poorer service, lower utility, and less access. They lead to all kinds of moral hazards, free riders, and perverse incentives. It's also a prime way to create incentives for corruption in government and rent seeking among many other pitfalls.

    I just illustrated yesterday? how correlated rising healthcare costs(both public and private) are with the passage of medicaid, medicare, and government involvement in the market. It's called crowding out.

    P.s. I am pretty sure that I can make arguments against every insurance program you cited and that many of the failings you most likely subscribe to the free market are actually stage 2 or higher economic effects of those very government programs.
    I saw another post about you being in Construction. Hope you don't have a construction management degree and read my post on my opinion of that

    I'll be blacklisted from futures pods
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Great, the SCOTUS also has said that slavery was legal and that it was okay to put American citizens into interment camps during WWII. Do you agree with the SCOTUS position on Citizen United Hondo? You're as stupid as your arguments.
    Citizens United was tried once.

    Slavery....a SCOTUS decision was a catalyst for ending slavery.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

    Internment camps....

    The decision in Korematsu v. United States and the legal precedent it established have remained controversial.[2] Constitutional scholars like Bruce Fein and Noah Feldman have compared Korematsu to Dred Scott v. Sandford and Plessy v. Ferguson, respectively, in arguing it has become an example of Richard Primus's "Anti-Canon",[6] a term for those cases which are so flawed that they are now taken as exemplars of bad legal decision making.[7][8] The decision has been described as "an odious and discredited artifact of popular bigotry"[7] and as "a stain on American jurisprudence".[9]






    All that being said. The SCOTUS has upheld the welfare clause for 200 years. While those were one time decisions. And I think citizens United will be overturned at some point as well.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    2001400ex said:

    Citizens United was tried once.

    Slavery....a SCOTUS decision was a catalyst for ending slavery.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

    Internment camps....

    The decision in Korematsu v. United States and the legal precedent it established have remained controversial.[2] Constitutional scholars like Bruce Fein and Noah Feldman have compared Korematsu to Dred Scott v. Sandford and Plessy v. Ferguson, respectively, in arguing it has become an example of Richard Primus's "Anti-Canon",[6] a term for those cases which are so flawed that they are now taken as exemplars of bad legal decision making.[7][8] The decision has been described as "an odious and discredited artifact of popular bigotry"[7] and as "a stain on American jurisprudence".[9]






    All that being said. The SCOTUS has upheld the welfare clause for 200 years. While those were one time decisions. And I think citizens United will be overturned at some point as well.
    Go ahead and find for me the 200 year old SC case that upholds your belief that "General Welfare" included paying for an individuals healthcare or retirement or housing. Hell find me a ruling prior to the 1930s that supports that belief. Now go run and hide dumbfuck.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Go ahead and find for me the 200 year old SC case that upholds your belief that "General Welfare" included paying for an individuals healthcare or retirement or housing. Hell find me a ruling prior to the 1930s that supports that belief. Now go run and hide dumbfuck.
    Ok. For 80 plus years. (I'm not going to research it. For 80 plus years my point still stands. )
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    edited September 2018
    The Hondo method.

    Talk out you ass, get called on it, back track, and now the strawman ass fuck is coming. Your "point" was that your interpretation of the meaning of "General Welfare" had been upheld by the SC since our founding.

    You lied Kunt.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    The Hondo method.

    Talk out you ass, get called on it, back track, and now the strawman ass fuck is coming. Your "point" was that your interpretation of the meaning of "General Welfare" had been upheld by the SC since our founding.

    You lied Kunt.

    My point was one time decisions versus a long standing history of multiple decisions. A point you can't fathom because it doesn't follow your narrative.
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