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They is insurance companies. And they is essentially a monopoly in many counties right now cause the fucktarded county line restrictions.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif -
Ahhhhhhhh and who is it that created those fucktarded county line restrictions? It's almost like government regulatory burdens create perverse incentives for monopolies and oligopolies to exploit and grow in...2001400ex said:
They is insurance companies. And they is essentially a monopoly in many counties right now cause the fucktarded county line restrictions.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
I wonder why there's so much more competition in less regulated markets. It's a real mystery.
I always love when someone blames a "free market" for crony capitalism and not the government for creating rent seekers in the first place. -
Yes that's one of the many stupid things in Obamacare and yes Congress should fix it among a bunch of other things.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ahhhhhhhh and who is it that created those fucktarded county line restrictions? It's almost like government regulatory burdens create perverse incentives for monopolies and oligopolies to exploit and grow in...2001400ex said:
They is insurance companies. And they is essentially a monopoly in many counties right now cause the fucktarded county line restrictions.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
I wonder why there's so much more competition in less regulated markets. It's a real mystery.
I always love when someone blames a "free market" for crony capitalism and not the government for creating rent seekers in the first place.
A truly free market is just as awful as a communism, just in different ways. Our country has been the most successful as a regulated free market. HTH -
Pretty much most of every failing I'm sure you would cite for the former is actually a failing of the latter. Keep trying though.2001400ex said:
Yes that's one of the many stupid things in Obamacare and yes Congress should fix it among a bunch of other things.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ahhhhhhhh and who is it that created those fucktarded county line restrictions? It's almost like government regulatory burdens create perverse incentives for monopolies and oligopolies to exploit and grow in...2001400ex said:
They is insurance companies. And they is essentially a monopoly in many counties right now cause the fucktarded county line restrictions.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
I wonder why there's so much more competition in less regulated markets. It's a real mystery.
I always love when someone blames a "free market" for crony capitalism and not the government for creating rent seekers in the first place.
A truly free market is just as awful as a communism, just in different ways. Our country has been the most successful as a regulated free market. HTH -
Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Pretty much most of every failing I'm sure you would cite for the former is actually a failing of the latter. Keep trying though.2001400ex said:
Yes that's one of the many stupid things in Obamacare and yes Congress should fix it among a bunch of other things.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ahhhhhhhh and who is it that created those fucktarded county line restrictions? It's almost like government regulatory burdens create perverse incentives for monopolies and oligopolies to exploit and grow in...2001400ex said:
They is insurance companies. And they is essentially a monopoly in many counties right now cause the fucktarded county line restrictions.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
I wonder why there's so much more competition in less regulated markets. It's a real mystery.
I always love when someone blames a "free market" for crony capitalism and not the government for creating rent seekers in the first place.
A truly free market is just as awful as a communism, just in different ways. Our country has been the most successful as a regulated free market. HTH -
Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.
Sweet fucking Geezus Hondo, tell me you're not so fucking ignorant that you actually believe India's problems are caused by a free market? You are aware that India from it's independence until well into the 1990s was a socialist state do you not? -
Ok. If you don't like that example. We could go back 80-100 years in our country when Rivers were catching on fire and other stupid shit. Then came the great depression. Or 30 years of deregulation prior to 2008 then the great recession. True free market that the right wing wants is not the solution either.SFGbob said:Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.
Sweet fucking Geezus Hondo, tell me you're not so fucking ignorant that you actually believe India's problems are caused by a free market? You are aware that India from it's independence until well into the 1990s was a socialist state do you not?
And learn how to use the quote feature. -
You really are that fucking ignorant. You believe the 2008 recession was caused by too free a market? Sweet Geezus Hondo, you're a poorly educated dishonest moron.2001400ex said:
Ok. If you don't like that example. We could go back 80-100 years in our country when Rivers were catching on fire and other stupid shit. Then came the great depression. Or 30 years of deregulation prior to 2008 then the great recession. True free market that the right wing wants is not the solution either.SFGbob said:Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.
Sweet fucking Geezus Hondo, tell me you're not so fucking ignorant that you actually believe India's problems are caused by a free market? You are aware that India from it's independence until well into the 1990s was a socialist state do you not?
And learn how to use the quote feature.
Btw, I love how you just soldier on after your original head up the ass statement blows up in your face. Never mind you tried to lay India's problems on a free market that didn't every really exist in India. -
So you are saying deregulation had nothing to do with it? And that wasn't the only cause. There were many causes. And the trigger was the fed increasing the federal funds rate.SFGbob said:
You really are that fucking ignorant. You believe the 2008 recession was caused by too free a market? Sweet Geezus Hondo, you're a poorly educated dishonest moron.2001400ex said:
Ok. If you don't like that example. We could go back 80-100 years in our country when Rivers were catching on fire and other stupid shit. Then came the great depression. Or 30 years of deregulation prior to 2008 then the great recession. True free market that the right wing wants is not the solution either.SFGbob said:Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.
Sweet fucking Geezus Hondo, tell me you're not so fucking ignorant that you actually believe India's problems are caused by a free market? You are aware that India from it's independence until well into the 1990s was a socialist state do you not?
And learn how to use the quote feature. -
And there's the strawman ass fuck. You're getting very predictable Hondo.2001400ex said:
So you are saying deregulation had nothing to do with it? And that wasn't the only cause. There were many causes. And the trigger was the fed increasing the federal funds rate.SFGbob said:
You really are that fucking ignorant. You believe the 2008 recession was caused by too free a market? Sweet Geezus Hondo, you're a poorly educated dishonest moron.2001400ex said:
Ok. If you don't like that example. We could go back 80-100 years in our country when Rivers were catching on fire and other stupid shit. Then came the great depression. Or 30 years of deregulation prior to 2008 then the great recession. True free market that the right wing wants is not the solution either.SFGbob said:Spend some time in India and tell me how you like it.
Sweet fucking Geezus Hondo, tell me you're not so fucking ignorant that you actually believe India's problems are caused by a free market? You are aware that India from it's independence until well into the 1990s was a socialist state do you not?
And learn how to use the quote feature.
Make a statement where you talk straight out of your ass. Get called on it and then respond with some thing where you act like you never said what you clearly did say and then follow up with a straw man ass fuck.
But for the initial interference in the mortgage market with Fannie and Freddie. You would have never had a housing meltdown. If Banks had maintained the very same lending standards they'd had years and if mortgages were kept on their books instead of being sold off to a secondary market that was created almost entirely with the creation of Fannie and Freddie, you would have never had the 2008 recession. It was the distortion of the Free Market by the Federal government that set the wheels in motion, not the Free Market that caused the recession.
