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He is just trolling all of usRaceBannon said:6 pages of hondo not defending obama and obamacare
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All of Obunghole care (obviously the law was written by a proctologist) taxes won't be in effect until 2020. HTH2001400ex said:
The increases the last 2 years are a direct result of Trump's actions. Own it.Southerndawg said:
This has become a very common problem, those numbers are in line with what many people have experienced as a result of the "Affordable Care Act". Anyone with half a brain could tell that Obamacare was headed this way, destined to fail from day one. A healthy dose of suspicion might lead one to believe it was designed to fail with enough pain to get the masses to agree with the left's long term goal of single payer. Or it is just a reflection of the idiots who put it in place. Or abundance.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Lol no, these are middle class people that could afford health insurance before privately. Now they can't because rates skyrocketed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
My own rates went from $70/month to $450/month. My family rates went from about $200 to over $1200 per month. I have lots of friends that it's even worse for.
This is directly because of the subsidies and "one size fits all" policies Obamacare put in place. -
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!! -
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!! -
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif -
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif -
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif -
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif -
The Great Society Theory of Obama care is that once most everyone is insured, people will be healthier, diseases will be caught and treated earlier, and there won't be as many catastrophic, expensive to treat health conditions. Great in Theory, not gonna happen in practice, as anyone who's been to a Seahawks, Sounders or Storm game knows, because people are fatter, lazier, and unhealthier than ever before, and that's compared to our parents' generation that smoked, drank and procreated while popping large amounts of prescription drugs and diet pills.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
We are so fucked. -
Who is "they"? Are "they" a monopoly or an oligopoly? Tell me, do you buy cut rate auto-insurance or do you buy "good" auto insurance?2001400ex said:
Um no the market is not efficient. It actually would definitely be way more efficient as a true free market. They'd profit a shit ton by overcharging people and kicking sick people off their plans and dictating to doctors what treatments are the cheapest option.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ah, so it's not a "free market". So would you say the government's regulations are doing an effective job of making the market efficient?2001400ex said:
Yes the exchanges are a regulated market. Like everything else in this country.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'll help you.2001400ex said:
Wait wut? Who said Medicare for all is free market? The comment was that exchanges aren't private market.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Just like medicare for all is a "free market" solution right?2001400ex said:
You are such a monkey.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!2001400ex said:
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
But ok!!
Exchanges - Government set up "markets" where the government directs who qualifies as a provider, the government directs who qualifies as a purchaser, the government directs who can purchase what, at what price, with what level of profit, with what coverage, all with underlying taxes and subsidies for different purchasers dictated by the government, all on a government set up website.
Sounds about the same as people who claim that single payer isn't socialism. It's a "free market" solution. Sure.gif
