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He is just “trolling,” he doesn’t really mean it.pawz said:
Embarrassing.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
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Or I posted facts to back up my statement.SFGbob said:
He is just “trolling,” he doesn’t really mean it.pawz said:
Embarrassing.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
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"ROFL I was totally trolling"2001400ex said:
Are you most people? Why do you think your actions are encompassing of the rest of the country?SFGbob said:
Which state isn't that statement true in liar? I didn't have health insurance liar, but that didn't mean I just ignored my "oil change" needs. Shitty and stupid analogy dumbass. Let me guess, I missed your "point."2001400ex said:
That is true in most states. But you miss the point too race.RaceBannon said:Hospitals and Emergency rooms can not deny care based on inability to pay
hondoFS as usual
Here I'll give another example. So you change the oil in your car? Or do you let it ride until everything breaks? Most people without insurance do the latter.
But basic concepts are lost on you and such fag Bob.
Here's a pro tip for you. I misspoke on health Care versus health insurance. Any rational person would have realized that. When you started arguing trying to prove you are right, I have been trolling you ever since. Which is what hardly clothed is referring to. And you still don't see.
The ultimate white flag
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You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them. -
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them. -
Lol no, these are middle class people that could afford health insurance before privately. Now they can't because rates skyrocketed.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
My own rates went from $70/month to $450/month. My family rates went from about $200 to over $1200 per month. I have lots of friends that it's even worse for.
This is directly because of the subsidies and "one size fits all" policies Obamacare put in place. -
Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.2001400ex said:
You sound poor.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.2001400ex said:
I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.TurdBuffer said:
Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.2001400ex said:
Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.RaceBannon said:Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/
I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.
My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...
Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.
But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.
Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.
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2001400ex said:
Read for comprehension. So you were privileged. Most people can't afford to pay hospital bills. And when they get sick, therefore don't go to the doctor if they don't have insurance. Then what happens, shit gets worse.... So instead of a $300 visit and it's done, now it requires surgery.SFGbob said:
I always love it when the liar accuses you of doing exactly what they really are doing. How was I able to access healthcare during my 20s despite the fact that I didn't have health insurance liar? Essentially, you're a lying fucking moron Hondo.2001400ex said:
You are playing semantics with insurance vs health Care.SFGbob said:
It's almost like you pull this very same Kunt act every time you're caught talking out your ass. I read what you said dumbass. You lied about 30 million people not having healthcare prior to Obamacare. You then doubled down and restated pretty much the same thing. I didn't have health insurance through out my 20s. I always had access to healthcare. Liar or moron Hondo, take your pick.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't read. But if you had great health Care. Why did you bother with insurance?SFGbob said:
Bullshit. I didn't have health insurance until my early 30s. I always had access to healthcare. You're essentially a dumbfuck.2001400ex said:
If you don't have insurance. You essentially don't have health Care. Not many people have the cash to pay for anything at the hospital. And doctors/hospitals will bankrupt you to get paid.SFGbob said:
Notice how this dipshit never addresses the instances where he puts his head up his ass. Claiming that 30 million people didn't have healthcare before Obamacare is pure bullshit. But being the mouthy little dipshit he is, Hondo just acts like he never said it and powers through to a new and better head up the ass moment.2001400ex said:
HTH
Appears the "you didn't read it" Kunt dodge didn't work. Hondo's now claiming that I'm playing a "semantics" game.2001400ex said:
You are playing semantics with insurance vs health Care.SFGbob said:
It's almost like you pull this very same Kunt act every time you're caught talking out your ass. I read what you said dumbass. You lied about 30 million people not having healthcare prior to Obamacare. You then doubled down and restated pretty much the same thing. I didn't have health insurance through out my 20s. I always had access to healthcare. Liar or moron Hondo, take your pick.2001400ex said:
It's almost like you don't read. But if you had great health Care. Why did you bother with insurance?SFGbob said:
Bullshit. I didn't have health insurance until my early 30s. I always had access to healthcare. You're essentially a dumbfuck.2001400ex said:
If you don't have insurance. You essentially don't have health Care. Not many people have the cash to pay for anything at the hospital. And doctors/hospitals will bankrupt you to get paid.SFGbob said:
Notice how this dipshit never addresses the instances where he puts his head up his ass. Claiming that 30 million people didn't have healthcare before Obamacare is pure bullshit. But being the mouthy little dipshit he is, Hondo just acts like he never said it and powers through to a new and better head up the ass moment.2001400ex said:
HTH
I was typing slow.... Hoping you would understand how life works.
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The real reason the prices went up is because with unlimited government involvement came unlimited government money!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Huh, funny how those increases correlate almost perfectly with the passages of medicaid, medicare, and the government getting involved in the market... It's almost as if basic concepts of crowding out and government inefficiency vs. the free market really do exist.SarkFanSixtyNine said:
Everyone has been getting ridiculous increases to insurance forever2001400ex said:
Liar. 7 years later.... The only people getting ridiculous increases to insurance are those that are buying of the exchange and live in small counties. Cause fucksticks on both sides of the aisle won't get rid of the county lines and let insurers market across the entire state.TurdBuffer said:
If you fail to appreciate what a Time-Bomb Obamacare is, I can't help you. I got the teaser rate my first two years, too. Then came the 12% increase and higher deductibles.2001400ex said:
I don't know. My insurance went from 8% increases every year to 3% or so. I won. 30 million people have health Care that didn't before.TurdBuffer said:Thanks to Obama's Healthcare plan, millions more people are now covered by Health Insurance that is paid for by other working-class people whose rates went up and now both groups receive a far more complicated, onerous, bureaucratic and inferior product. Yay.
While the law was shit and there's lots to do to fix it. It's better than the old system.
Funny thing one must realize: Money doesn't grow on trees, except in Socialist utopias, like Venezuela, which I hear is nice.
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Agreed. You should also be upset with the rising deficit.Sledog said:
The real reason the prices went up is because with unlimited government involvement came unlimited government money!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Huh, funny how those increases correlate almost perfectly with the passages of medicaid, medicare, and the government getting involved in the market... It's almost as if basic concepts of crowding out and government inefficiency vs. the free market really do exist.SarkFanSixtyNine said:
Everyone has been getting ridiculous increases to insurance forever2001400ex said:
Liar. 7 years later.... The only people getting ridiculous increases to insurance are those that are buying of the exchange and live in small counties. Cause fucksticks on both sides of the aisle won't get rid of the county lines and let insurers market across the entire state.TurdBuffer said:
If you fail to appreciate what a Time-Bomb Obamacare is, I can't help you. I got the teaser rate my first two years, too. Then came the 12% increase and higher deductibles.2001400ex said:
I don't know. My insurance went from 8% increases every year to 3% or so. I won. 30 million people have health Care that didn't before.TurdBuffer said:Thanks to Obama's Healthcare plan, millions more people are now covered by Health Insurance that is paid for by other working-class people whose rates went up and now both groups receive a far more complicated, onerous, bureaucratic and inferior product. Yay.
While the law was shit and there's lots to do to fix it. It's better than the old system.
Funny thing one must realize: Money doesn't grow on trees, except in Socialist utopias, like Venezuela, which I hear is nice.
Our government isn't capable of efficiently "planning" a market or an industry.
