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CollegeDoog said:
It's racist because you put the blame squarely on blacks instead of centuries of institutional oppression.puppylove_sugarsteel said:loadsock said:
The words may come off as racist to someone who sees everything through the lens of skin color but while PLSS minces no words, a thorough look at the statistics of some of his points would show him to be correct. I'm also referencing a post he made earlier in another thread from earlier.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Are you capable of making a post that isn't blatantly racist?puppylove_sugarsteel said:RIP the White Man, Christmas, Jesus Christ, The Republican Party, Easter, SS, 401k's, rock music, reasonable healthcare and your own doctor. Obama and his people could care less, none of the above apply. Just saying out of statistical analysis and objective societal observation over 35 years
His delivery is pretty vile, however.
Im not racist. I use and twice-check census data before I say anything that might offend another group or nationality. Fuck you much. Have a nice day;)
I hope this was sarcasm
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Normally I would say it is but CollegeDoog on twitter lately with his tweets makes me think he's being serious.RaceBannon said:CollegeDoog said:
It's racist because you put the blame squarely on blacks instead of centuries of institutional oppression.puppylove_sugarsteel said:loadsock said:
The words may come off as racist to someone who sees everything through the lens of skin color but while PLSS minces no words, a thorough look at the statistics of some of his points would show him to be correct. I'm also referencing a post he made earlier in another thread from earlier.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Are you capable of making a post that isn't blatantly racist?puppylove_sugarsteel said:RIP the White Man, Christmas, Jesus Christ, The Republican Party, Easter, SS, 401k's, rock music, reasonable healthcare and your own doctor. Obama and his people could care less, none of the above apply. Just saying out of statistical analysis and objective societal observation over 35 years
His delivery is pretty vile, however.
Im not racist. I use and twice-check census data before I say anything that might offend another group or nationality. Fuck you much. Have a nice day;)
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He_Needs_More_Time said:
Normally I would say it is but CollegeDoog on twitter lately with his tweets makes me think he's being serious.RaceBannon said:CollegeDoog said:
It's racist because you put the blame squarely on blacks instead of centuries of institutional oppression.puppylove_sugarsteel said:loadsock said:
The words may come off as racist to someone who sees everything through the lens of skin color but while PLSS minces no words, a thorough look at the statistics of some of his points would show him to be correct. I'm also referencing a post he made earlier in another thread from earlier.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Are you capable of making a post that isn't blatantly racist?puppylove_sugarsteel said:RIP the White Man, Christmas, Jesus Christ, The Republican Party, Easter, SS, 401k's, rock music, reasonable healthcare and your own doctor. Obama and his people could care less, none of the above apply. Just saying out of statistical analysis and objective societal observation over 35 years
His delivery is pretty vile, however.
Im not racist. I use and twice-check census data before I say anything that might offend another group or nationality. Fuck you much. Have a nice day;)
I hope this was sarcasm
I wouldn't put the blame on Blacks - but it isn't centuries of oppression either. Oppression tends to band families together. The Black family, and Black neighborhoods and business were strong in the face of Jim Crow and overt racism.
The unintended consequence of welfare is giving economic incentive for the male to leave, across racial lines. And it has.
The end of segregation was the beginning of the end of Black owned business.
Cue someone saying I want to go back to segregation. Not the case - I'll leave that to the Black Muslims and other Black leaders.
I'm just saying that we should be looking to see why immigrants come here and make it and end up owning businesses that get burned in riots. Why were all those stores owned by Korean immigrants?
There are some systematic problems that create a permanent underclass and it would be nice to address them without getting shouted down about race. It's a people problem, but we can't even talk about it.
So we blame whitey and corporations or welfare queens and keep electing fools and idiots who get rich off our tax dollars while the poor stay poor. -
I don't have signatures turned on. What did I miss ?
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All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly. -
CollegeDoog said:
All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nUFxsZqpA
Listen to Jack Nicholson's opening dialogue please.
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allpurpleallgold said:
What exactly is the pussification of America? Is it the generation of Americans that are less racist and homophobic than any generation before it? Is that what made you guys so tuff? Hating people because they were born a certain way?TierbsHsotBoobs said:Fuck you if you think this belongs in General.
The pussification of America is complete.
My sig pic speaks volumes.
No. Feeling comfortable and "ass"epting when 2 Men are french kissing and rubbing other's junk doesn't make your generation pussified.
It's that you offer little to Society other than showing your parents how to operate their smart phones from the basement that you neither rent nor own yourself. And if you happen to forget to pause your video game while doing it, your weak, guilt ridden Mother will simply accept or turn the other ear of you bitchin her out about it and ask if you'd like another grape soda.
You see if your weak, pc parents would have beaten your ass when you did something wrong instead of timeout. You'd probably be gainfully employed and off the teet of your 'rents by now.
BUt chances are.... YOU are not.
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Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are -
Causation?
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Black response to environmental stress = r selection
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CollegeDoog said:
All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
Oh My.
You do realise that Japanese were round up and interned here 70 years ago right? They weren't hardly trusted after their internment until the late '60's and '70's.
Are you aware that the Chinese were used as slave labor to build our Railroads right?
These occurences were after the abolishment of slavery.
While 300 years of African American slavery has been tough on African Americans and old stereo types die hard. The fact is that African Americans have had opportunities. However many have chosen not to work hard and at least try. However there are millions of African Americans who have come from the ghetto who have worked hard and succeeded in our history.
Asians have had it everybody bit as hard as African Americans these last 2 centuries. Their culture and values are much different though as a whole. They are hard working and independent as a rule in their culture, not as the exception. -
meek!!!!?111 True??1!?!??111salemcoog said:CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
Oh My.
You do realise that Japanese were round up and interned here 70 years ago right? They weren't hardly trusted after their internment until the late '60's and '70's.
Are you aware that the Chinese were used as slave labor to build our Railroads right?
These occurences were after the abolishment of slavery.
While 300 years of African American slavery has been tough on African Americans and old stereo types die hard. The fact is that African Americans have had opportunities. However many have chosen not to work hard and at least try. However there are millions of African Americans who have come from the ghetto who have worked hard and succeeded in our history.
Asians have had it everybody bit as hard as African Americans these last 2 centuries. Their culture and values are much different though as a whole. They are hard working and independent as a rule in their culture, not as the exception.
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Great guilty white Seattle liberal post as always.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
Harvey Road would be proud. -
Asians have had it everybody bit as hard as African Americans these last 2 centuries. Their culture and values are much different though as a whole. They are hard working and independent as a rule in their culture, not as the exception.
Textbook K selection….. -
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MikeDamone said:
I don't have signatures turned on. What did I miss ?
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Passion said:
Flaming liberal? Nah.CuntWaffle said:Remember kids Passion is a flaming liberal and probably thinks Obama has done a fantastic job.
Fantastic? Nope. Has he made mistakes? Sure, but even somebody who calls himself "cuntwaffle" can understand progress, albeit incremental.
Oh yah, and in case you were nursing another hangover this morning, this happened: finance.yahoo.com/news/u-housing-starts-jump-near-six-high-november-133127347--business.html
I have no idea what party you're in. I just know that you're dumb.
huh?http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/12/20131218_MTG1_0.jpg
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-18/mortgage-applications-collapse-new-13-year-low
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1. We're fuckedTierbsHsotBoobs said:
2. Many of you have a very limited understanding of economics
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So many excuses, so much victim mentality.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
The problem is the all the free-shit used to buy votes by the left, ultimately works to further enslave those who view themselves as oppressed.
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.”
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Typical intelligent response from you.He_Needs_More_Time said:Just what this thread needed, Passion destroying it with his typical bullshit posts.
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You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
I'm not saying black people are somehow exempt from blame. They're not anymore wholesome than us. They're probably just as shitty as us, if not more.
They do however deserve the same avenues for success that we do, and those aren't there. And to pit the blame on Jesse Jackson or welfare programs is silly.
In closing, fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion
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I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion -
Great refutation as always.MikeDamone said:
I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion -
What happened to the idea that it is incumbent upon the individual to create their own opportunity? It's always somebody else's fault ...CollegeDoog said:
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
You act as tho the impoverished (red, yellow, blick) are owed opportunity. You are only owed opportunity to the degree that you go out and create it for yourself. You can't get anything worthwhile by demand.
The real reason the impoverished don't create opportunity is because the "shitty education system" only teaches people how to be the cunt hairs of the 1%. They teach that you are owed something by the man and entitled. The shitty education system has lulled American's into believing they deserve something for nothing.
HillsboroDoog is correct, the great American experiment is dead.
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If you want to be successful, you can. Blaming others rather than the individual themselves for their economic shortcomings does not help anyone. Some of the wealthiest people I know today had the toughest upbringing economically of those I grew up with. Of those the households that stress having your shit together and/or education produce really successful kids of all races in the free market (imagine that?).
If you are poor you can choose to work your ass off and get good grades and get into a school. That's not the only way to be successful either. You can be supremely talented at other things or be a great pitchman and make money that way too.
The problem that I see with many poor families (many of whom I try to hire) is that the parents are lazy or play the victim and expect their own kids to support them when they themselves do not work or do so at a minimal level. These kids just do whats comfortable sometimes and stunt their own growth because of it.
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I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion
Pretty much everything you said is made up bullshit rhetoric certain people use to control others. If you can't see that, then I can't help you.CollegeDoog said:
Great refutation as always.MikeDamone said:
I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion -
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You missed the whole fucking point. I never said Black people can't create their own opportunity. They can. There are thousands of examples.pawz said:
What happened to the idea that it is incumbent upon the individual to create their own opportunity? It's always somebody else's fault ...CollegeDoog said:
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
You act as tho the impoverished (red, yellow, blick) are owed opportunity. You are only owed opportunity to the degree that you go out and create it for yourself. You can't get anything worthwhile by demand.
The real reason the impoverished don't create opportunity is because the "shitty education system" only teaches people how to be the cunt hairs of the 1%. They teach that you are owed something by the man and entitled. The shitty education system has lulled American's into believing they deserve something for nothing.
HillsboroDoog is correct, the great American experiment is dead.
However, the system is setup so much fewer African Americans have a chance to create opportunity. This comes back to institutionalized racism.
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The harms have been admitted ad nauseum have they not?
What else can be done? Give money? "Even" the playing field? I can read your professor's lecture above 1000 times and still come to the conclusion that nothing will ever be good enough. You can't assuage anger and the past when the people constantly beating it's drum don't want it to end. In not sure why you don't think about that.
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How the fuck is it controlling others to point out these serious fucking problems?MikeDamone said:
I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion
Pretty much everything you said is made up bullshit rhetoric certain people use to control others. If you can't see that, then I can't help you.CollegeDoog said:
Great refutation as always.MikeDamone said:
I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. At all.CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion
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,CollegeDoog said:
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down into a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.RaceBannon said:
Why? It's relevant and it is you that took the underclass to mean Blacks not me. The underclass ismulti cultural.CollegeDoog said:All the problems in the black community can be directly tied to poverty. Poverty can be tied to the legacy of slavery and everything leading up to the civil rights movement in 1964. That's my argument.
The black community isn't exempt from blame, but the institutional history of the United States is very much responsible.
And to equate what asians or other immigrants have been able to do in the US compared to blacks is silly.
You also missed that it is after the civil rights movement that the family began to disintegrate. Generation welfare is more damaging that what happened generations ago.
Jesse Jackson used to have it right - be a victor not a victim. Be somebody. His degeneration into a shakedown artist is truly sad.
Your white pity isn't helping here. Holding people to a standard of behavior does help. Irregardless of the mute point of what fucking color they are
The fact of the matter is racism is still alive and well today. It may not be as visible on the west coast as it is in the middle of country or east coast, but it is apparent to me.
In 2013, 50 years after the March on Washington, being a black person in America still sucks. Look at their unequal treatment in the justice system as an example. The lack of opportunity in the job marketplace. Go to any fast food joint, airport, a place where the majority of workers are African American. These jobs aren't easy and they're low paying, so don't argue that blacks lack initiative. They're stuck in this economic quagmire because of a shitty education system and institutionalized racism in the job marketplace.
And to bring any of these problems up; problems that are a direct result of America's ugly racial past is labeled as "White guilt"? Hi @TierbsHsotBoobs!
"The implication is that there is something hypocritical and shameful about pointing out the failings of white America, after having profited from its advantages."
Fuck White guilt. What you all are engaging in is White blame.
50 years after the March on Washington, the avenues for success for Black Americans are still much narrower than us Whites and a failure to acknowledge this perpetuates the problem.
Instead it's a deeper fear that Blacks will enjoy the same fruits that we've enjoyed. Any sort of equality is viewed as compensation.
"What white people fear, at bottom, is retribution. This is why discussion of actual injustice is supposed to be off-limits. Despite the glorious principles spelled out 50 years ago on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, they lack a functioning concept of justice. To admit the harms of the past is to invite payback."
So I'm not going to fall into that trap. I'm not going to feel shame for bringing up these issues. I'm not going to fall for false equivalencies with other races that dishonestly convey the greater problem.
Fuck white guilt, fuck white blame, fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
-Tequilla, with a Foreword by Passion
I like you CDoog, but you're off. I went to a h.s. that was 30-35% black and had two black principals and a black a.p. There wasn't much institutionalized racism. I saw a lot of unruly, apathetic kids from fucked up families. I have no idea what the solution is, but the guilty white liberal solution was a total failure...and this is is coming from a center left white guy.
When blickswho study hard and try to better themselves are called uncle toms by their own, there's a major dysfunctional problem within the community.
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