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Email from a UW Booster about Sark and Woodward

DerekJohnson
DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,423 Founders Club
This was a booster's response to my comment that Sark basically stopped recruiting in mid-October as he began plotting his escape to USC. (Reprinted with permission.)
If so, his assistant coaches had to aware of the decision. Peter Sirmon was the Recruiting Coordinator. There had to have been a concerted effort to slow the recruiting efforts down. After all, the UW had the fewest number of commits, to date, of ANY D-1 school. It would suggest that all of the assistant coaches, unless totally naive, would have been aware of the plans. Woody and some of the more influential supporters should be embarrassed for being so blinded by their loyalty to Sark. Now, two of our highly rated commits have flipped to USC. Sark's loyalty to the UW and display of character was non-existent. Frankly, the whole situation disgusts me.
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  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    that's pretty much what I said 14 seconds after the news broke that Sark was leaving, hence my term "coup de'Sark".
  • Fenwick
    Fenwick Member Posts: 1,174
    The first time I heard sarkisian speak I remarked that he was as glib as can be and it turns out to be true. You guys were scammed. The shithead.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    the doogs felt if you got the youngest head coach in the world that was a good thing... we felt the AD was playing slots.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    Water is wet.

    He's gone.

    If Petersen is who we think he is none of this matters.
  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    Meek said:

    the fun part is going to be watching Sark tank at USC as he continues his weight gain and LA becomes more and more UCLA's town.

    That was my big argument with my Sark friends, I was always like why are you so loyal to a guy who isn't loyal to UW, his wife, his players or anyone for that matter.

    I kept saying over and over first chance Sark gets he is bailing out of here to USC or the NFL so why be so loyal to him?

    I remember Doogs telling me "You can't fire Sark, what if he's the next Saban?". Which I would always counter even if he is this next great coach it won't ever be for UW.

    It's sad how those pro Sark fans are now pinning this crappy class on Petersen, even hearing "Funny how all you anti Sark guys couldn't wait for him to leave and now we have a crappy recruiting class now cause you got your wish".

    Nevermind, Sark fucked us like Ty did during 2008 when both realized they weren't coming back they stopped recruiting. That was my big argument on why you had to fire him after the Apple Cup last year, I was like in year five he'll either prove himself and LEAVE! or he'll fail and thus be fired. Either way he won't be recruiting at all.

    I'm glad we ended up with Petersen but leading up to that hire Woodward looked totally incompetent as an A.D. I'm thinking his hiring of Petersen was more like Emmert hiring Saban which is to say pure ass luck.

    Sark didnt bail at first chance. Usc offered once before
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839

    Meek said:

    the fun part is going to be watching Sark tank at USC as he continues his weight gain and LA becomes more and more UCLA's town.

    That was my big argument with my Sark friends, I was always like why are you so loyal to a guy who isn't loyal to UW, his wife, his players or anyone for that matter.

    I kept saying over and over first chance Sark gets he is bailing out of here to USC or the NFL so why be so loyal to him?

    I remember Doogs telling me "You can't fire Sark, what if he's the next Saban?". Which I would always counter even if he is this next great coach it won't ever be for UW.

    It's sad how those pro Sark fans are now pinning this crappy class on Petersen, even hearing "Funny how all you anti Sark guys couldn't wait for him to leave and now we have a crappy recruiting class now cause you got your wish".

    Nevermind, Sark fucked us like Ty did during 2008 when both realized they weren't coming back they stopped recruiting. That was my big argument on why you had to fire him after the Apple Cup last year, I was like in year five he'll either prove himself and LEAVE! or he'll fail and thus be fired. Either way he won't be recruiting at all.

    I'm glad we ended up with Petersen but leading up to that hire Woodward looked totally incompetent as an A.D. I'm thinking his hiring of Petersen was more like Emmert hiring Saban which is to say pure ass luck.

    Sark didnt bail at first chance. Usc offered once before
    Allegedly ...
  • Fenwick
    Fenwick Member Posts: 1,174
    about Sark gaining weight - need Charlie Weis be worried?
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    We were right.


    How long before we hear " you have no idea the damage sark did" from Kim?
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    We were right.


    How long before we hear " you have no idea the damage sark did" from Kim?
  • SandyHooker
    SandyHooker Member Posts: 343
    We were right.


    How long before we hear " you have no idea the damage sark did" from Kim?
  • SandyHooker
    SandyHooker Member Posts: 343
    We were right.


    How long before we hear " you have no idea the damage sark did" from Kim?
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Sark, handed blank checks, a new stadium and a salary he didn't deserve. You are welcome Steve. What a Guy!!!
    Never liked the guy will enjoy his demise in socal. But what does he care??? He can pay straight cash homie.....
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,679 Swaye's Wigwam
    Shocking....um...not?

    I've read and heard a few things indicating that Sirmon was Sark's kind of sleaze bag. Funny I've always thought of Lupoi as a bit of a sleaze bag, but I'm getting the sense now that he was the lesser of the two. Sirmon earned the title of recruiting coordinator for a reason.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.
  • SpoonieLuv
    SpoonieLuv Member Posts: 5,463
    Fenwick said:

    about Sark gaining weight - need Charlie Weis be worried?

    At least they will have something in common to discuss during pre-game at the Meineke Car Care Bowl in three years.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,423 Founders Club


    Fenwick said:

    about Sark gaining weight - need Charlie Weis be worried?

    At least they will have something in common to discuss during pre-game at the Meineke Car Care Bowl in three years.
    The Trojans will need a win there in order to finish 7-6.
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    Results only matter. You can blame a lot of shit on Woodward, but not the coaching hire.

    He made the hire that no other big program could make for the past 6 years.

    Although he didn't have the balls to fire Sark, he at least wasn't Pat HadenFS and let him walk.

    His legacy isn't written in stone as Pool Boy.

    LIPO.
  • Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone.

    This continues to be funny well after 23 times.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    topdawgnc said:

    Meek said:

    the fun part is going to be watching Sark tank at USC as he continues his weight gain and LA becomes more and more UCLA's town.

    That was my big argument with my Sark friends, I was always like why are you so loyal to a guy who isn't loyal to UW, his wife, his players or anyone for that matter.

    I kept saying over and over first chance Sark gets he is bailing out of here to USC or the NFL so why be so loyal to him?

    I remember Doogs telling me "You can't fire Sark, what if he's the next Saban?". Which I would always counter even if he is this next great coach it won't ever be for UW.

    It's sad how those pro Sark fans are now pinning this crappy class on Petersen, even hearing "Funny how all you anti Sark guys couldn't wait for him to leave and now we have a crappy recruiting class now cause you got your wish".

    Nevermind, Sark fucked us like Ty did during 2008 when both realized they weren't coming back they stopped recruiting. That was my big argument on why you had to fire him after the Apple Cup last year, I was like in year five he'll either prove himself and LEAVE! or he'll fail and thus be fired. Either way he won't be recruiting at all.

    I'm glad we ended up with Petersen but leading up to that hire Woodward looked totally incompetent as an A.D. I'm thinking his hiring of Petersen was more like Emmert hiring Saban which is to say pure ass luck.

    Sark didnt bail at first chance. Usc offered once before
    Allegedly ...
    And so did the Raiders, allegedly
  • Tailgater
    Tailgater Member Posts: 1,389

    This was a booster's response to my comment that Sark basically stopped recruiting in mid-October as he began plotting his escape to USC. (Reprinted with permission.)

    If so, his assistant coaches had to aware of the decision. Peter Sirmon was the Recruiting Coordinator. There had to have been a concerted effort to slow the recruiting efforts down. After all, the UW had the fewest number of commits, to date, of ANY D-1 school. It would suggest that all of the assistant coaches, unless totally naive, would have been aware of the plans. Woody and some of the more influential supporters should be embarrassed for being so blinded by their loyalty to Sark. Now, two of our highly rated commits have flipped to USC. Sark's loyalty to the UW and display of character was non-existent. Frankly, the whole situation disgusts me.
    I am a booster, likely not as big a booster as your booster, by I have opinions about things and I'm beginning to see a conspiracy unfold. Many Husky fans here and I know elsewhere at pre/post-game tailgates, sports pubs, etc have been praying that Sark's record at UW would somehow rise enough that another school would hire him away from us so that Woody by now might have enough brains and ambition to hire a real head coach for Husky Football. With their AD change and the firing of Kiffen in mid season, USC seemed to be a likely candidate to "steal" Sark away and make our day. But how to accomplish that and here's where the conspiracy comes into play:

    With the USC job open, Woody has the balls to tell Sark to either finish the regular season with better than seven wins in order to be considered for the USC position or look for another job. There may or may not be some collusion between Woody and Haden at this point in the form of casual conversation and "what could happen" kind of hints or speculation. Woody instructs Sark to focus entirely on winning games and nothing else even at the expense of recruiting. Parallel to these instructions, there's obviously contact between USC representatives and Sark about what it will take for him to return to L.A.

    As it goes, Sark gets eight wins which included that eye-popping stomp over Oregon State and is eventually hired by Haden to coach the Trojans after being turned down by other candidates at least in the rumor mill. In the meantime, something weird happens. Haden visits BSU head coach Peterson in Boise the day before hiring Sark, but rumors coming out of both L.A. and Boise tell a story of an interview between Haden and Petersen that was so bad, it's difficult to believe that a serious interview actually took place. What if Haden was merely confirming that Petersen would be available to consider an offer from UW in the event Sark were to accept an offer for the USC job the next day? This would be collusion at the highest level in the business of hiring football coaches, but as we know at least from Mike Lude, AD's even amongst rivals in the Pac conference will do favors for each other.

    My conspiracy theory like all such stuff is probably nothing more than bullshit. But we all must see by now that Sark eased up on recruiting in mid season because he was in line for the USC job as soon as it became available. I believe HS coaches and parents of recruits are far more in tune with what college coaches are up to with regard to changing jobs than anybody in the mainstream or Internet media are likely to report and it's probable Sark wasn't going to get more commits anyway. And as soon as rumors began that Petersen was considering the opening left by Sark at UW, the story came out here in Boise that not only had Petersen been considering a change starting perhaps as early as January 2013, but that he had always had an interest in Husky Football as a place he would consider moving up to if he ever left BSU. Perhaps it was the will of the football gods for we have suffered long and hard, but everything many of us were wishing for seemed to fall in place too easily to be simple coincidence.

  • biak1
    biak1 Member Posts: 4,237
    Either way, it'll be interesting.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    Tailgater said:

    This was a booster's response to my comment that Sark basically stopped recruiting in mid-October as he began plotting his escape to USC. (Reprinted with permission.)

    If so, his assistant coaches had to aware of the decision. Peter Sirmon was the Recruiting Coordinator. There had to have been a concerted effort to slow the recruiting efforts down. After all, the UW had the fewest number of commits, to date, of ANY D-1 school. It would suggest that all of the assistant coaches, unless totally naive, would have been aware of the plans. Woody and some of the more influential supporters should be embarrassed for being so blinded by their loyalty to Sark. Now, two of our highly rated commits have flipped to USC. Sark's loyalty to the UW and display of character was non-existent. Frankly, the whole situation disgusts me.
    I am a booster, likely not as big a booster as your booster, by I have opinions about things and I'm beginning to see a conspiracy unfold. Many Husky fans here and I know elsewhere at pre/post-game tailgates, sports pubs, etc have been praying that Sark's record at UW would somehow rise enough that another school would hire him away from us so that Woody by now might have enough brains and ambition to hire a real head coach for Husky Football. With their AD change and the firing of Kiffen in mid season, USC seemed to be a likely candidate to "steal" Sark away and make our day. But how to accomplish that and here's where the conspiracy comes into play:

    With the USC job open, Woody has the balls to tell Sark to either finish the regular season with better than seven wins in order to be considered for the USC position or look for another job. There may or may not be some collusion between Woody and Haden at this point in the form of casual conversation and "what could happen" kind of hints or speculation. Woody instructs Sark to focus entirely on winning games and nothing else even at the expense of recruiting. Parallel to these instructions, there's obviously contact between USC representatives and Sark about what it will take for him to return to L.A.

    As it goes, Sark gets eight wins which included that eye-popping stomp over Oregon State and is eventually hired by Haden to coach the Trojans after being turned down by other candidates at least in the rumor mill. In the meantime, something weird happens. Haden visits BSU head coach Peterson in Boise the day before hiring Sark, but rumors coming out of both L.A. and Boise tell a story of an interview between Haden and Petersen that was so bad, it's difficult to believe that a serious interview actually took place. What if Haden was merely confirming that Petersen would be available to consider an offer from UW in the event Sark were to accept an offer for the USC job the next day? This would be collusion at the highest level in the business of hiring football coaches, but as we know at least from Mike Lude, AD's even amongst rivals in the Pac conference will do favors for each other.

    My conspiracy theory like all such stuff is probably nothing more than bullshit. But we all must see by now that Sark eased up on recruiting in mid season because he was in line for the USC job as soon as it became available. I believe HS coaches and parents of recruits are far more in tune with what college coaches are up to with regard to changing jobs than anybody in the mainstream or Internet media are likely to report and it's probable Sark wasn't going to get more commits anyway. And as soon as rumors began that Petersen was considering the opening left by Sark at UW, the story came out here in Boise that not only had Petersen been considering a change starting perhaps as early as January 2013, but that he had always had an interest in Husky Football as a place he would consider moving up to if he ever left BSU. Perhaps it was the will of the football gods for we have suffered long and hard, but everything many of us were wishing for seemed to fall in place too easily to be simple coincidence.



    Thanks Aandy.
  • Tailgater
    Tailgater Member Posts: 1,389
    Aandy's into himself and being connected, not conspiracies even though his meanderings may be conspiratorial, whereas I'm a conspiracy guy.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Tailgater said:

    This was a booster's response to my comment that Sark basically stopped recruiting in mid-October as he began plotting his escape to USC. (Reprinted with permission.)

    If so, his assistant coaches had to aware of the decision. Peter Sirmon was the Recruiting Coordinator. There had to have been a concerted effort to slow the recruiting efforts down. After all, the UW had the fewest number of commits, to date, of ANY D-1 school. It would suggest that all of the assistant coaches, unless totally naive, would have been aware of the plans. Woody and some of the more influential supporters should be embarrassed for being so blinded by their loyalty to Sark. Now, two of our highly rated commits have flipped to USC. Sark's loyalty to the UW and display of character was non-existent. Frankly, the whole situation disgusts me.
    I am a booster, likely not as big a booster as your booster, by I have opinions about things and I'm beginning to see a conspiracy unfold. Many Husky fans here and I know elsewhere at pre/post-game tailgates, sports pubs, etc have been praying that Sark's record at UW would somehow rise enough that another school would hire him away from us so that Woody by now might have enough brains and ambition to hire a real head coach for Husky Football. With their AD change and the firing of Kiffen in mid season, USC seemed to be a likely candidate to "steal" Sark away and make our day. But how to accomplish that and here's where the conspiracy comes into play:

    With the USC job open, Woody has the balls to tell Sark to either finish the regular season with better than seven wins in order to be considered for the USC position or look for another job. There may or may not be some collusion between Woody and Haden at this point in the form of casual conversation and "what could happen" kind of hints or speculation. Woody instructs Sark to focus entirely on winning games and nothing else even at the expense of recruiting. Parallel to these instructions, there's obviously contact between USC representatives and Sark about what it will take for him to return to L.A.

    As it goes, Sark gets eight wins which included that eye-popping stomp over Oregon State and is eventually hired by Haden to coach the Trojans after being turned down by other candidates at least in the rumor mill. In the meantime, something weird happens. Haden visits BSU head coach Peterson in Boise the day before hiring Sark, but rumors coming out of both L.A. and Boise tell a story of an interview between Haden and Petersen that was so bad, it's difficult to believe that a serious interview actually took place. What if Haden was merely confirming that Petersen would be available to consider an offer from UW in the event Sark were to accept an offer for the USC job the next day? This would be collusion at the highest level in the business of hiring football coaches, but as we know at least from Mike Lude, AD's even amongst rivals in the Pac conference will do favors for each other.

    My conspiracy theory like all such stuff is probably nothing more than bullshit. But we all must see by now that Sark eased up on recruiting in mid season because he was in line for the USC job as soon as it became available. I believe HS coaches and parents of recruits are far more in tune with what college coaches are up to with regard to changing jobs than anybody in the mainstream or Internet media are likely to report and it's probable Sark wasn't going to get more commits anyway. And as soon as rumors began that Petersen was considering the opening left by Sark at UW, the story came out here in Boise that not only had Petersen been considering a change starting perhaps as early as January 2013, but that he had always had an interest in Husky Football as a place he would consider moving up to if he ever left BSU. Perhaps it was the will of the football gods for we have suffered long and hard, but everything many of us were wishing for seemed to fall in place too easily to be simple coincidence.



    Disagree

  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,390
    What are we going to do, sue Sarkisian, Sirmon, and whomever else?

    This is one instance where it's not worth crying over the spilled milk, especially since our chances are now better with BB, McGary, Jaylen Johnson, Drew Clarkson, and Jacob Tuioti-Mariner because of the new staff. I got the impression that only McGary was seriously looking at us before out of those guys but now we could very well land 3 or 4 out of those 5.
  • tracker
    tracker Member Posts: 866
    edited December 2013
    Incomplete theory.
    You left this out.

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    Tailgater said:

    This was a booster's response to my comment that Sark basically stopped recruiting in mid-October as he began plotting his escape to USC. (Reprinted with permission.)

    If so, his assistant coaches had to aware of the decision. Peter Sirmon was the Recruiting Coordinator. There had to have been a concerted effort to slow the recruiting efforts down. After all, the UW had the fewest number of commits, to date, of ANY D-1 school. It would suggest that all of the assistant coaches, unless totally naive, would have been aware of the plans. Woody and some of the more influential supporters should be embarrassed for being so blinded by their loyalty to Sark. Now, two of our highly rated commits have flipped to USC. Sark's loyalty to the UW and display of character was non-existent. Frankly, the whole situation disgusts me.
    I am a booster, likely not as big a booster as your booster, by I have opinions about things and I'm beginning to see a conspiracy unfold. Many Husky fans here and I know elsewhere at pre/post-game tailgates, sports pubs, etc have been praying that Sark's record at UW would somehow rise enough that another school would hire him away from us so that Woody by now might have enough brains and ambition to hire a real head coach for Husky Football. With their AD change and the firing of Kiffen in mid season, USC seemed to be a likely candidate to "steal" Sark away and make our day. But how to accomplish that and here's where the conspiracy comes into play:

    With the USC job open, Woody has the balls to tell Sark to either finish the regular season with better than seven wins in order to be considered for the USC position or look for another job. There may or may not be some collusion between Woody and Haden at this point in the form of casual conversation and "what could happen" kind of hints or speculation. Woody instructs Sark to focus entirely on winning games and nothing else even at the expense of recruiting. Parallel to these instructions, there's obviously contact between USC representatives and Sark about what it will take for him to return to L.A.

    As it goes, Sark gets eight wins which included that eye-popping stomp over Oregon State and is eventually hired by Haden to coach the Trojans after being turned down by other candidates at least in the rumor mill. In the meantime, something weird happens. Haden visits BSU head coach Peterson in Boise the day before hiring Sark, but rumors coming out of both L.A. and Boise tell a story of an interview between Haden and Petersen that was so bad, it's difficult to believe that a serious interview actually took place. What if Haden was merely confirming that Petersen would be available to consider an offer from UW in the event Sark were to accept an offer for the USC job the next day? This would be collusion at the highest level in the business of hiring football coaches, but as we know at least from Mike Lude, AD's even amongst rivals in the Pac conference will do favors for each other.

    My conspiracy theory like all such stuff is probably nothing more than bullshit. But we all must see by now that Sark eased up on recruiting in mid season because he was in line for the USC job as soon as it became available. I believe HS coaches and parents of recruits are far more in tune with what college coaches are up to with regard to changing jobs than anybody in the mainstream or Internet media are likely to report and it's probable Sark wasn't going to get more commits anyway. And as soon as rumors began that Petersen was considering the opening left by Sark at UW, the story came out here in Boise that not only had Petersen been considering a change starting perhaps as early as January 2013, but that he had always had an interest in Husky Football as a place he would consider moving up to if he ever left BSU. Perhaps it was the will of the football gods for we have suffered long and hard, but everything many of us were wishing for seemed to fall in place too easily to be simple coincidence.