Nebraska to start pure freshman at QB
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
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I didn't realize it was Bill Moos. No wonder. I wonder what Moos thinks now that the starter is announced.
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Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid. -
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid. -
I wasn't literally arguing that point. I was just trying to be a smart ass.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
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the problems start when somebody is hired because of some factors that don't really translate to the hire actually doing a better job but only make somebody feel better about it. It is part of the stupid human race and we'll continue to see it in football.DerekJohnson said:
I wasn't literally arguing that point. I was just trying to be a smart ass.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
Hope this helps.
But, it could work out still if Frost is the 1 in 10. -
Please to be showing me what Mike Riley did to deserve the position before this guy? Riley was a loser at every job he held.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
Frost won an NC as a player, is really the only Chip Kelly disciple, and took an Owen team and had them win an NC in under one recruiting cycle.
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95% of alums fail just like 95% of coaches fail. I'm not sure alums fail at a greater rate.
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The rates are very similar and not of significance. The greater disparity was promoting interim coaches to full time HCs. Always a terrible idea. Unless you have Dabo fucking Sweeney.Mad_Son said:95% of alums fail just like 95% of coaches fail. I'm not sure alums fail at a greater rate.
edit I can't find the data on this and might be talking out of my ass but that's what I remember. FRANNY. -
Hiring an alum is usually dumb, but I would bet Frost will be the exception to that rule. And starting a true freshman QB as a new coach actually makes some sense...that Martinez kid will be good in a year or two.ApostleofGrief said:
the problems start when somebody is hired because of some factors that don't really translate to the hire actually doing a better job but only make somebody feel better about it. It is part of the stupid human race and we'll continue to see it in football.DerekJohnson said:
I wasn't literally arguing that point. I was just trying to be a smart ass.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
Hope this helps.
But, it could work out still if Frost is the 1 in 10.
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Frost didn't get only the gig because he was an alum, he only took the gig because he was an alum.
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So he was Oregon State's Cristobal?Mosster47 said:
Please to be showing me what Mike Riley did to deserve the position before this guy? Riley was a loser at every job he held.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
Frost won an NC as a player, is really the only Chip Kelly disciple, and took an Owen team and had them win an NC in under one recruiting cycle.
It's not like they hired Turner Gill. -
You know how I know you are fucking retarded?Mosster47 said:
Riley was a loser at every job he held.ApostleofGrief said:
It could work but probably won't. There are so many examples of it not working. It must be like a 10:1 ration of doesn't work: work. Another big flop was Charlie Weis. Hiring the alum creates a lot of good feelings with the fanbase but it creates an illusory positive aspect. A guy in his early 40s with only a single head coaching job at a 2nd rate D1 school? If he didn't have the alum status, it wouldn't be happening.DerekJohnson said:
Tom Osborne was a Nebraska alum. Hope this helps.ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid. -
Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
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13-0 at Central Florida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything anyone ever did at Eastern.ApostleofGrief said:Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
You know who else went undefeated at jobs like Central Florida?
Chris Petersen and Urban Meyer.
Not saying Frost is a top 5 coach, don't twist.
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It's definitely commendable, that part. At first I did not see that. Still, it reeks of the old hire-the-alum trick which is like hiring your cousin just 'cuzdnc said:
13-0 at Central Florida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything anyone ever did at Eastern.ApostleofGrief said:Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
You know who else went undefeated at jobs like Central Florida?
Chris Petersen and Urban Meyer.
Not saying Frost is a top 5 coach, don't twist.
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Scott Frosty won the fucking natty at UCF!! I love your Central shtick, but stick to your division. No higher discussion board for you!ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid. -
Doesn't matter...he's worrying about year 3. And if the rest of your QBs suck, and you think the kid has talent throw him into the fire and baby him along so that by Year 3 he is good to go.ApostleofGrief said:Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
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Doogles said:
Scott Frosty won the fucking natty at UCF!! I love your Central shtick, but stick to your division. No higher discussion board for you!ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid.
The fucking natty then is position #19.Doogles said:
Scott Frosty won the fucking natty at UCF!! I love your Central shtick, but stick to your division. No higher discussion board for you!ApostleofGrief said:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24481521/nebraska-cornhuskers-tab-true-freshman-adrian-martinez-starting-qb
Nebraska stupidly is trying the "hire the alum" trick. Which never works. Ask WSU about Paul Wulff. How about the Gilby era? Neuheisel to UCLA.
You can't start a freshman at QB at PLU successfully, let alone the GNAC, Big Sky, and certainly not the Big-10. Stupid. -
I'm glad Frost was a Nebraska alum. If he werent, he would probably be at Oregon.
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bingoRoadDawg55 said:I'm glad Frost was a Nebraska alum. If he werent, he would probably be at Oregon.
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ApostleofGrief said:
Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
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This so fucking true I hope OBK implodes after 7-6RoadDawg55 said:I'm glad Frost was a Nebraska alum. If he werent, he would probably be at Oregon.
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That's exactly the way I remember the '15 Cal game. I had this feeling like "oh, he's going to come through"... then nothing happened.RaceBannon said:ApostleofGrief said:Can somebody give me an example of a pure freshman being a success at QB? I know it CAN happen, just like hiring an alum CAN work, but my point is that it usually DOESN'T work. Although, Frost's last season at Florida Whatever was good with a win over, cough, Auburn. Maybe he is the real deal. Or maybe he's a Wulff. DOn't forget Wulff was winning like crazy at Eastern.
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http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156583514/best-true-freshman-quarterback-seasons
You might want to take a gander...
There's some pretty good names there. Yes this idea fails more than not, but to say you can't start a true freshman and be successful is ridiculous. HTH -
Quit fucking saying "pure freshman"
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yahoo answers is your source?ApostleofGrief said:
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Not yahoo answers superiority guy
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Jake Fromm Georgia in the final as an impure freshman facing Jalen Hurts who had also started the final as a true pure frosh
