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Country Music Bracket Primer

As the @dnc led Rap Battle Royale winds itself down, the next bracket to hit the fabulous Record Shoppe ran by @YellowSnow will be a 32 act Country Music bracket. I'd like to thank both @YellowSnow and my favorite savage @Swaye for assisting in putting together the bracket.

On one hand, taking the history of Country Music and breaking it down to a Top 32 is daunting given the number of top acts throughout time. On the other, we largely found consensus fairly early in the process with the balance of the field and the hard parts came down to arranging the bracket and the ultimate seeding.

The criteria that we largely relied upon were as follows:
  • Significance on the overall genre - in other words, if the act was excluded from the field would that have been a significant omission
  • Trying to maintain balance between eras to ensure representation and acknowledging the evolution of the genre
  • How dominant were you as an act during your era in terms of awards, album sales, tour $, etc.
  • Can a reasonable argument be made for being able to win at least a round in the field - if not, there was no room for you in the bracket
In many respects, it's the last point that we really harped on when it came down to looking at acts. To single out a particular that didn't make the cut, both Swaye and YellowSnow were fairly adamant about Buck Owens. His legacy, contributions, and influence are tremendous. However, in ultimately listening to the relative acts, trying to find where to insert, who to remove, and the ability to actually win a match ended up excluding him from the field. Another example was someone like Vince Gill. In terms of awards, etc. few have ever been more decorated. However, trying to find the standout sound, finding where to insert, who to exclude, and making an argument for being able to reasonably win a matchup all added up to being excluded.

If I have one regret through the bracket it's that in a 32 bracket field you end up with only the heavy hitters and have to exclude some acts that probably would be more of a niche basis and perhaps be relatively new music to many on this board. In particular, this extends largely to the Texas/Oklahoma local scene. Acts I'd love to have found a way to get into a bracket would be acts like Robert Earl Keen, Pat Green, Randy Rogers, Wade Bowen, Cross Canadian Ragweed, Reckless Kelly, and the Eli Young Band.

In the end, as this bracket starts up, I think most will find choosing winners to be challenging. I'll likely be linking up 2-3 songs per artist as part of entry point as well as a brief narrative as to why they made the field. I'd encourage individuals to do a deeper dive on the acts if you're not particularly familiar with any of their catalogs as most of them are very, very deep. There are going to be few pushovers. It wouldn't shock me to see high seeds have challenges in the Round of 32. And without completely speaking for Yellow and Swaye, in our discussions I think the consensus is that we're very interested in seeing where this ends up as while we have our projections of where it will go, we also recognize it could go anywhere fairly quickly.

Looking forward to bringing this to the board and having a good time debating the battles, those that were included, and those excluded.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    This will be a chinteresting battle for second place







  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Is the natty isn’t between Kenny Chesney and the Dixie Chicks, why even bother???
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    #MyNeko too low
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    Is the natty isn’t between Kenny Chesney and the Dixie Chicks, why even bother???

    Chin that event, Dixie Chicks chin a











    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4_wXPZ1Bnk

    (I forgot how shitty all the CGI music videos were in the early 00's)
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    The only place where Teq fucked me was on Buck Owens, but all in all this was a win win negotiation and the gloves didn't have to come off.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    This will be a chinteresting battle for second place







    Johnny Cash is a clear frontrunner and will be tough to beat.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Is the natty isn’t between Kenny Chesney and the Dixie Chicks, why even bother???

    If you're joking, I laffed. If you're serious, DIAFF.
    The fact that you can’t tell concerns me...
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    edited August 2018




    There needs to be a hot/crazy country bitches bracket.

  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    The only place where Teq fucked me was on Buck Owens, but all in all this was a win win negotiation and the gloves didn't have to come off.

    Buck was definitely tough ... problem was best I could see for him was being an 8 seed and 80/20 loser.

    His importance obvious. Definitely included if 64. But even you conceded he wasn’t winning Round 1.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    It's a good list and I helped make it so if you have an issue with it go fuck yourself. There are always a couple folks that could be argued for here or there, but we spent a ton of time evaluating all the people, and really tried to showcase different styles and eras and contributions to cuntry. I'm pleased with it, so vote fags.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Oh, one more thing....there are a couple of very obvious people not on the list from the very early days of country. Yes, we realize that they are legends, but thought they basically had no chance in the voting because only hardcore country fans even know who they are. So fuck off.

    I will also say that we compressed cuntry to 32, even though it has been around since the late 30's/early 40's. Contrast that with rap that had 64 even though it has been around half the time. So half the artists in twice the time - hard cuts had to be made.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    The only primer I will be a part of is the primer ranking the best ja rule songs
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029

    The only primer I will be a part of is the primer ranking the best ja rule songs

    That'll be a quick read.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    The only primer I will be a part of is the primer ranking the best ja rule songs

    FUCK OFF!!!
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    It's a good list and I helped make it so if you have an issue with it go fuck yourself. There are always a couple folks that could be argued for here or there, but we spent a ton of time evaluating all the people, and really tried to showcase different styles and eras and contributions to cuntry. I'm pleased with it, so vote fags.

    Me and the heathen savage have pretty much the same final 4, and his army of alts to make it be like deocracy in Uganda.
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    When does this start?
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    DeepSeaZ said:

    When does this start?

    As soon as rap concludes.
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    Swaye said:

    DeepSeaZ said:

    When does this start?

    As soon as rap concludes.
    2020 will be special.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    It should also be noted that Yella and I had very little to do with the modern country bracket. I think @Tequilla discussed it with some friends and locals, but we never listen to that stuff so I couldn't offer much of an opinion on anything past Garth Brooks.
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    Define new country. Is it new music or new style of music? BecUse there is new music that is old style country and it’s awesome.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    It should also be noted that Yella and I had very little to do with the modern country bracket. I think @Tequilla discussed it with some friends and locals, but we never listen to that stuff so I couldn't offer much of an opinion on anything past Garth Brooks.
    And this is why I recruited @Tequilla to be Czar of the All Country Battle. If it was left to you and me it would have been 81% old country legends.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    It should also be noted that Yella and I had very little to do with the modern country bracket. I think @Tequilla discussed it with some friends and locals, but we never listen to that stuff so I couldn't offer much of an opinion on anything past Garth Brooks.
    And this is why I recruited @Tequilla to be Czar of the All Country Battle. If it was left to you and me it would have been 81% old country legends.
    Exactly. Half the bored would have been like who the fuck are Buck Owens, Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, Ernest Tubb and Bill Monroe? Sounds like the starting lineup for the Hickory Huskers.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    It should also be noted that Yella and I had very little to do with the modern country bracket. I think @Tequilla discussed it with some friends and locals, but we never listen to that stuff so I couldn't offer much of an opinion on anything past Garth Brooks.
    And this is why I recruited @Tequilla to be Czar of the All Country Battle. If it was left to you and me it would have been 81% old country legends.
    Exactly. Half the bored would have been like who the fuck are Buck Owens, Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, Ernest Tubb and Bill Monroe? Sounds like the starting lineup for the Hickory Huskers.

    Poasted to OKG gif thread.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    I will be curious to see how old country does vs new country once we get to the finals.

    It should also be noted that Yella and I had very little to do with the modern country bracket. I think @Tequilla discussed it with some friends and locals, but we never listen to that stuff so I couldn't offer much of an opinion on anything past Garth Brooks.
    And this is why I recruited @Tequilla to be Czar of the All Country Battle. If it was left to you and me it would have been 81% old country legends.
    Exactly. Half the bored would have been like who the fuck are Buck Owens, Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, Ernest Tubb and Bill Monroe? Sounds like the starting lineup for the Hickory Huskers.

    The list of old country giants that didn't make it in is ginormous. And once the brackets get poasted officially you can bet I will take the gloves off to criticize the seeding committee.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    I cared about your opinion, but only a little bit
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    New country is loosely defined as acts that have made their mark from 2000 onwards. I’m happy with the 8 that are in there. That being said I could put 8 more in without much push back about people being undeserving. This is where I expect the most angst with the seeding.