The Russians
"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."
He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."
My personal favorite:
"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."
As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton?
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Dang greasy Slavs
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You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"creepycoug said:Remember Patton's words:
"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."
He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."
My personal favorite:
"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."
As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton? -
We've all played Risk. It's impossible to hold Asia. You're everyone's card trade.PurpleThrobber said:
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"creepycoug said:Remember Patton's words:
"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."
He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."
My personal favorite:
"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."
As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton? -
Australia is the key to the game.Mosster47 said:
We've all played Risk. It's impossible to hold Asia. You're everyone's card trade.PurpleThrobber said:
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"creepycoug said:Remember Patton's words:
"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."
He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."
My personal favorite:
"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."
As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton? -
I once said on this board that I wasn’t scared of Russia and I stand by that. I ain’t fucking scared of Russia. But that does not mean they won’t try us.
Read a history book, men like Putin all want the same thing. It’s not to be buddy buddy with a greater country. It’s not to be BFFs with a reality tv star. He wants to be in those history books. If you think sitting down with Trump changed that then you’re delusional. -
No racist crap
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Everyone tries us. Top DAWGS get that treatment
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Douglas MacArthur wanted to nuke multiple cities in China. And now here we are.
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At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Someone should have clued Teddy and the democrats into all this keen insight on Russia
This isn't news to most of us. Welcome aboard to the rest -
This is sellable. The idea of Trump being the one to masterfully play this game is laughable but it’s a whole lot better than “what a great meeting!”RaceBannon said:Everyone tries us. Top DAWGS get that treatment
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Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Trump really respects us man.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?
I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh". -
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.dnc said:
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
Don't go all @BearsWiin on me Race. Humor is good for arthritis.RaceBannon said:Someone should have clued Teddy and the democrats into all this keen insight on Russia
This isn't news to most of us. Welcome aboard to the rest
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Oh definitely, just saying we? would have gladly sacrificed the Soviets before said chinevitable conflict if we could have.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.dnc said:
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Just think, we? could have dropped the Richland Bombers on Chernobyl.
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I think that's debatable. Remember, a lot of the Japanese leadership thought going 1941 that a war again the US was un-winnable, but that it was still better to roll the dice and possible suffer defeat, than to accept the having to bow to US pressure because of oil. In alternate scenarios I think it's possible they would have wanted to avoid awaking the sleeping purple giant at all costs.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.dnc said:
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
Fear of a Japanese attack on the Soviet Far East in late 1941 is precisely why FDR had Acheson put the Japanese oil embargo in place in August. He understood that a Eurasian continent divided between fascist Germany and imperialist Japan would be absolutely disastrous for the United States.YellowSnow said:
We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?
I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh". -
Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people. -
True. And Roosevelt certainly did everything he could at the time in terms of economic warfare to bait Japan into taking sucker punching us?. But what if the Japanese had decided to take the risk of focusing solely on securing their raw materials in the Dutch East Indies and not preemptively attacking HI and the Philippines? Would we? have still found a way to declare war on Imperial Japan regardless?BearsWiin said:
Fear of a Japanese attack on the Soviet Far East in late 1941 is precisely why FDR had Acheson put the Japanese oil embargo in place in August. He understood that a Eurasian continent divided between fascist Germany and imperialist Japan would be absolutely disastrous for the United States.YellowSnow said:
We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?
I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh". -
It's less stressful to not worry about it an live in the passed, Salem Kewger.salemcoog said:Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people. -
The Japs were still reeling from getting their ass handed to them by Zhukov in '39, too. They wanted no part of that shit again. Hitler already had conquered the Netherlands so the Japs headed south to grab their oil in the E. Indies instead.BearsWiin said:
Fear of a Japanese attack on the Soviet Far East in late 1941 is precisely why FDR had Acheson put the Japanese oil embargo in place in August. He understood that a Eurasian continent divided between fascist Germany and imperialist Japan would be absolutely disastrous for the United States.YellowSnow said:
We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?
I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh".
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This is true. Our Air Force goes in the order of power, water, communications, and eliminate infrastructure you don't control.salemcoog said:Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people.
Iraq went from modern to 6th century in 96 hours under this doctrine. -
We're? doing a pretty good job of disabling our own infrastructure and power grid through general malaise, choosing shit like wind and solar over nuclear plants and abundant fossil alternatives.Mosster47 said:
This is true. Our Air Force goes in the order of power, water, communications, and eliminate infrastructure you don't control.salemcoog said:Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people.
Iraq went from modern to 6th century in 96 hours under this doctrine.
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Were they "shocked" and "awed" ?Mosster47 said:
This is true. Our Air Force goes in the order of power, water, communications, and eliminate infrastructure you don't control.salemcoog said:Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people.
Iraq went from modern to 6th century in 96 hours under this doctrine. -
I got there 12 years later. They definitely didn't rebuild.YellowSnow said:
Were they "shocked" and "awed" ?Mosster47 said:
This is true. Our Air Force goes in the order of power, water, communications, and eliminate infrastructure you don't control.salemcoog said:Most of you need to fast forward past 75 years ago to the here and now. Russia, China, NK, none of them will lay a foot on our soil until they’ve either hacked our power grid or disabled it with an EMP or
Both to shut it down. 15 years ago, terrorism was the main threat. Now it’s the disabling of power grids and infrastructure.
All of Which makes this Russian hacking into our elections process Twice as egregious. And it’s why the people that have Their head buried up Trumps ass need to wake up. Our power grids are archaic and are mostly handled by hundreds of private entities. This country is done in 6 months if our power grids are disabled.
Trump being a Pussy to Putin on this issue will embolden our most dangerous enemies in the here and now. Cyber warriors and the countries that employ them. Wake the fuck up people.
Iraq went from modern to 6th century in 96 hours under this doctrine.
