The Russians
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This is sellable. The idea of Trump being the one to masterfully play this game is laughable but it’s a whole lot better than “what a great meeting!”RaceBannon said:Everyone tries us. Top DAWGS get that treatment
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Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Trump really respects us man.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
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Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?
I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh". -
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.dnc said:
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded. -
Don't go all @BearsWiin on me Race. Humor is good for arthritis.RaceBannon said:Someone should have clued Teddy and the democrats into all this keen insight on Russia
This isn't news to most of us. Welcome aboard to the rest
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Oh definitely, just saying we? would have gladly sacrificed the Soviets before said chinevitable conflict if we could have.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.dnc said:
Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.Mosster47 said:
Washington isn't a great power, first off.YellowSnow said:
Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.PurpleThrobber said:
Sounds like Cuogs to me.YellowSnow said:At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946
Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.
I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.
Just think, we? could have dropped the Richland Bombers on Chernobyl.
What a hypothetical world.
