One of the better pieces from this week on immigration
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Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
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America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
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There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
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Great piece.
Helps Trump IMO
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No, @creepycoug, a hot bed of Atlantic readers the Tug is not; it's too center-left and most of the articles are TL;DR. That said, as the "thinking man's libtard" here, I feel a moral obligation to shit poast pieces from it on occasion. It is a respected publication of high journalistic value.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.
You're right about the French in that they far more of an existential threat from immigration than we? do, and it's not even close. The Messicans down in East LA may waive Messican flags at the Rose Bowl when Messico is playing the US in futbol, but last I checked no 1st or 2nd generation Messican ever joined ISIS.
The takeaway here, of course, is that in spite of the (justified) revulsion at seeing kids separated at the border from parents (even if there are some fake ones), the majority of Americans don't trust the Democratic Party on immigration and view its position - which is basically no limits immigration, legal or illegal - as radical extremism.
A wise, old Prussian once (really, not pretend) said, "Politiks is the art of the possible" and I think that's apt here. It's all fine and well to think that there should be a free and unrestricted flow of labor to capital across national boundaries, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE POLITICALLY FEASIBLE. The working man will only take so much feeling like he's getting that shaft before he goes full "they took our jerbs" and revolts at the ballot box. The pols in this country shouldn't have let it get to that point. -
No we have immigrants who's allegiance is to their home country and who's money flows there. We have massive illegal immigration in the 10's of millions from the same geographical area. We have an invasion that still does not and will not identify as Americans. We used to call this scenario an invasion.creepycoug said:
There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
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No we have immigrants who's allegiance is to their home country and who's money flows there. We have massive illegal immigration in the 10's of millions from the same geographical area. We have an invasion that still does not and will not identify as Americans. We used to call this scenario an invasion.creepycoug said:
There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.
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No it's WFC.creepycoug said:
*whoseSledog said:
No we have immigrants who's allegiance is to their home country and who's money flows there. We have massive illegal immigration in the 10's of millions from the same geographical area. We have an invasion that still does not and will not identify as Americans. We used to call this scenario an invasion.creepycoug said:
There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.
this damn phone! -
You sound like a scared little girl.Sledog said:
No we have immigrants who's allegiance is to their home country and who's money flows there. We have massive illegal immigration in the 10's of millions from the same geographical area. We have an invasion that still does not and will not identify as Americans. We used to call this scenario an invasion.creepycoug said:
There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.
Grab one of your guns and feel better friend. -
God damn it @creepycoug - quit posting shit and then have it vanish like fucking fart in the wind. You and Vanilla need to learn how to work together.
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We have been under Trump's fear to immigrants for over a year now. Abs we still have, according to you, 10s of millions of illegals flowing into the country.Sledog said:
No we have immigrants who's allegiance is to their home country and who's money flows there. We have massive illegal immigration in the 10's of millions from the same geographical area. We have an invasion that still does not and will not identify as Americans. We used to call this scenario an invasion.creepycoug said:
There you have it. What I said.Sledog said:
America has a culture. It's about immigrants that actually become Americans and do great things. That hasn't been happening for some time.creepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.
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I remember when Ronald Reagan was revered as a great Prez. Now, he's the devil. My how the times are a changin', and my oh my how the mighty have fallen.YellowSnow said:
No, @creepycoug, a hot bed of Atlantic readers the Tug is not; it's toocreepycoug said:
Two problems: this isn't an Atlantic crowd; and the French actually have a culture to preserve that would of itself justify tighter control over immigration.YellowSnow said:
You missed it.center-leftreasonable and most of the articles use too many big words, don't have enuff pictures to color, and are TL;DR. That said, as the "thinking man's libtard" here, I feel a moral obligation to shit poast pieces from it on occasion. It is a respected publication of high journalistic value; and at least you can understand it as a man with a pretend educashun.
You're right about the French in that they far more of an existential threat from immigration than we? do, and it's not even close. The Messicans down in East LA may waive Messican flags at the Rose Bowl when Messico is playing the US in futbol, but last I checked no 1st or 2nd generation Messican ever joined ISIS, despite what Sledog and OBK will tell you as they indulge in their bi-weekly middle school girl panic attack.
The takeaway here, of course, is that in spite of the (justified) revulsion at seeing kids separated at the border from parents (even if there are some fake ones), the majority of Americans don't trust the Democratic Party on immigration and view its position - which is basically no limits immigration, legal or illegal - as radical extremism. Of course, the other guys are just pandering to the lowest common denominator and exploiting their irrational fear of being "invaded" by a bunch lawn care professionals
A wise, old Prussian once (really, not pretend) said, "Politiks is the art of the possible" and I think that's apt here. It's all fine and well to think that there should be a free and unrestricted flow of labor to capital across national boundaries, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE POLITICALLY FEASIBLE. The working man will only take so much feeling like he's getting that shaft before he goes full "they took our jerbs" and revolts at the ballot box. The pols in this country shouldn't have let it get to that point.
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Trump's fear to immigrants
Just don't call them fucking liars
Illegal immigrants have been an issue at least since Bill Clinton was against them. Oh and that amnesty thing in the 80's
And Obama keeping kids in cages
BUT TRUMP
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Who cares about Trump. I've told you I liked him 20 times. That's enuff. Defending another man who isn't your father that zealously is effeminate. Stop it.RaceBannon said:Trump's fear to immigrants
Just don't call them fucking liars
Illegal immigrants have been an issue at least since Bill Clinton was against them. Oh and that amnesty thing in the 80's
And Obama keeping kids in cages
BUT TRUMP
Fuck off
It wasn't an issue under Bill either, so fuck Bill too. Everyone does this shit to pander to people who think we're being "invaded", which is fucking stupid.
Clean it up a big at the border and do better at vetting the really bad folks. No argument there.
Freaking out about the "Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!" is just not manly. They've been coming for forever and I thank them for their services.
I'd also like to get some of them on the men's US National team. GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! -
breitbart.com/2018-elections/2018/06/21/poll-shows-strong-support-for-trump-push-end-catch-and-release/
The Economist/YouGov poll of 1,500 adults was taken in mid-June. It shows that only 19 percent of Americans prefer the Democrats’s call to “release the [migrant] families and have them report back for an immigration hearing at a later date.”
The low score included only 17 percent of swing-voters and 7 percent of Republicans, 16 percent of blacks and 20 percent of Hispanics.
In contrast, 39 percent of swing-voters preferred the option of “Hold families together in family detention centers until an immigration hearing at a later date.” Another 18 percent favored separating the families and placing the children in shelters run by a government agency or in “juvenile detention centers.”
The poll shows a 17 percent vs. 58 percent split among independents against the Democratic Party’s easy-migration view, with another 25 percent hiding their views.
That poll likely understates public opposition to the Democrats’ “catch and release” policy. The question gently described the migrants as “families …. without proper documentation,” and 17 percent of respondents declined to answer the question. Many people hide views they believe to be unpopular under “don’t know” or “not sure” answers.
But progressives are determined to preserve the catch-and-release policies that they helped created under President Barack Obama, and which allowed 400,000 migrants to get work-permits and a huge number of under-educated children fit into overcrowded American schools in working-class districts. -
Hey, I've been telling DEREK!!!! about this shit for two years, and nothing from Stalin, per usual.YellowSnow said:God damn it @creepycoug - quit posting shit and then have it vanish like fucking fart in the wind. You and Vanilla need to learn how to work together.
Is this the kind of service I get for my financial support? Feels like Cuba around here Derek! -
Look for the wigwam labelcreepycoug said:
Hey, I've been telling DEREK!!!! about this shit for two years, and nothing from Stalin, per usual.YellowSnow said:God damn it @creepycoug - quit posting shit and then have it vanish like fucking fart in the wind. You and Vanilla need to learn how to work together.
Is this the kind of service I get for my financial support? Feels like Cuba around here Derek!
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yet another technical issue.RaceBannon said:
Look for the wigwam labelcreepycoug said:
Hey, I've been telling DEREK!!!! about this shit for two years, and nothing from Stalin, per usual.YellowSnow said:God damn it @creepycoug - quit posting shit and then have it vanish like fucking fart in the wind. You and Vanilla need to learn how to work together.
Is this the kind of service I get for my financial support? Feels like Cuba around here Derek!
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Nobody cares, really, about the hold families together shit. It's just a counter-punch to the political hysteria over being invaded by a bunch of lawn care professionals.RaceBannon said:breitbart.com/2018-elections/2018/06/21/poll-shows-strong-support-for-trump-push-end-catch-and-release/
The Economist/YouGov poll of 1,500 adults was taken in mid-June. It shows that only 19 percent of Americans prefer the Democrats’s call to “release the [migrant] families and have them report back for an immigration hearing at a later date.”
The low score included only 17 percent of swing-voters and 7 percent of Republicans, 16 percent of blacks and 20 percent of Hispanics.
In contrast, 39 percent of swing-voters preferred the option of “Hold families together in family detention centers until an immigration hearing at a later date.” Another 18 percent favored separating the families and placing the children in shelters run by a government agency or in “juvenile detention centers.”
The poll shows a 17 percent vs. 58 percent split among independents against the Democratic Party’s easy-migration view, with another 25 percent hiding their views.
That poll likely understates public opposition to the Democrats’ “catch and release” policy. The question gently described the migrants as “families …. without proper documentation,” and 17 percent of respondents declined to answer the question. Many people hide views they believe to be unpopular under “don’t know” or “not sure” answers.
But progressives are determined to preserve the catch-and-release policies that they helped created under President Barack Obama, and which allowed 400,000 migrants to get work-permits and a huge number of under-educated children fit into overcrowded American schools in working-class districts.
The whole fucking thing is a joke.
Creep is fine either way, so W. -
Creep, pandering to the low info masses by both sides is American as apple pie. Get over it.
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My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.
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It's the completely insane fact that democrats refuse to even acknowledge that unchecked illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be worked on that drives people nuts.
Sure, disagreement over how to solve it is one thing.
But pretending there is no problem at all, fighting against enforcing the current laws, and calling everyone else racist is the most retarded possible angle ever.
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Yes because ignorant people like you think what you typed is correct.Pitchfork51 said:It's the completely insane fact that democrats refuse to even acknowledge that unchecked illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be worked on that drives people nuts.
Sure, disagreement over how to solve it is one thing.
But pretending there is no problem at all, fighting against enforcing the current laws, and calling everyone else racist is the most retarded possible angle ever.
And it's going to lose them another election. -
I'd say the only real problem on which it is worth basing an election is that of safety ... are extremists using our border countries to gain entry, etc.? That is a concern, but then again, we're growing them now and they're already here. But still, less is certainly moar in that context. Sure, deal with MS13 or whatever the fuck it's called. No sane person would dispute that as a legitimate national interest issue.Pitchfork51 said:It's the completely insane fact that democrats refuse to even acknowledge that unchecked illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be worked on that drives people nuts.
Sure, disagreement over how to solve it is one thing.
But pretending there is no problem at all, fighting against enforcing the current laws, and calling everyone else racist is the most retarded possible angle ever.
And it's going to lose them another election.
The jobs and culture and all that shit? That is what is re-fucking-tarded. Getting hysterical every time an "illegal" rapes or murders or steals? Dumb. As if we don't have those issues in ready abundance in a capitalist and pluralistic society, and as if immigration is contributing to it in some material way.
One exception to the foregoing, of course, is all those secret federal agencies out there handing out free cash and healthcare and other cool bennies and shit to illegals lined up a mile down the road. That bothers me a lot. Our own veterans aren't taken care of so well damnit!
Jesus. I wonder if in the history of the world there has ever been an empire so economically and geo-politically successful that was at the same time as full of stupid people as is the United States. Social media has been great for that. I've been able to confirm prior suspicions of how stupid many of the people I've known most of my life really are.
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Your father was too tall to fly or do submarine duty, and had too many bone spurs for infantry.YellowSnow said:My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.
So what did he do while stationed state-side? Romance the future MamaYellowSnow? -
My Daddy was a Hungarian linguist in the USAF during the Vietnam conflict. The Huns were a vicious tribe at one point - people forget this.creepycoug said:
Your father was too tall to fly or do submarine duty, and had too many bone spurs for infantry.YellowSnow said:My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.
So what did he do while stationed state-side? Romance the future MamaYellowSnow?
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So Daddy had a desk jerb?YellowSnow said:
My Daddy was a Hungarian linguist in the USAF during the Vietnam conflict. The Huns were a vicious tribe at one point - people forget this.creepycoug said:
Your father was too tall to fly or do submarine duty, and had too many bone spurs for infantry.YellowSnow said:My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.
So what did he do while stationed state-side? Romance the future MamaYellowSnow?
His, Daddy, however, was a highly decorated infantry Captain in WWII and killed many Krauts.
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Non combat role. Had to fly a training mission about once a month on a RC-135. Basically draft dodging via way of cush jerb in the USAF.creepycoug said:
So Daddy had a desk jerb?YellowSnow said:
My Daddy was a Hungarian linguist in the USAF during the Vietnam conflict. The Huns were a vicious tribe at one point - people forget this.creepycoug said:
Your father was too tall to fly or do submarine duty, and had too many bone spurs for infantry.YellowSnow said:My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.
So what did he do while stationed state-side? Romance the future MamaYellowSnow?
His, Daddy, however, was a highly decorated infantry Captain in WWII and killed many Krauts.
Hmmmm.
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