Pac 12 Conference Financial Problems Are Not
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Todd Turner was great, Mark Emmert was a GOOD President, Ty just needed more time, Pat Haden was great at USC. The list goes on and on of great administrators that anyone with half a brain and access to a computer have put down
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No one here will disagree with that.RaceBannon said:Todd Turner was great, Mark Emmert was a GOOD President, Ty just needed more time, Pat Haden was great at USC. The list goes on and on of great administrators that anyone with half a brain and access to a computer have put down
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The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games. -
I don't particularly care about the B1G or the SEC past Bama but since I have 4 B1G channels and the two SEC channels along with CBS and ESPN SEC games I end up watching parts of all of them as I whip it around on a SaturdayPitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
The same would be true if the PAC 12 were in everyone's face. Easterners would at least watch the top teams and know something about them -
RaceBannon said:
I don't particularly care about the B1G or the SEC past Bama but since I have 4 B1G channels and the two SEC channels along with CBS and ESPN SEC games I end up watching parts of all of them as I whip it around on a SaturdayPitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
The same would be true if the PAC 12 were in everyone's face. Easterners would at least watch the top teams and know something about them
Yeah you'd get some casual viewers but not enough to make business decisions on.
Just having PAC on directv out west would be totally fine
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Haden has done more for UW athletics than any AD in the last 2 decadeswhatshouldicareabout said:
No one here will disagree with that.RaceBannon said:Todd Turner was great, Mark Emmert was a GOOD President, Ty just needed more time, Pat Haden was great at USC. The list goes on and on of great administrators that anyone with half a brain and access to a computer have put down
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not the visual i wantedRaceBannon said:
I don't particularly care about the B1G or the SEC past Bama but since I have 4 B1G channels and the two SEC channels along with CBS and ESPN SEC games I end up watching parts of all of them as I whip it around on a SaturdayPitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
The same would be true if the PAC 12 were in everyone's face. Easterners would at least watch the top teams and know something about them -
Chinese market is about to break through. Have you seen their population and economy? YUGE potential. First 8 years were just bumper crops, you will see.
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I only want easterners that are willing to stay up until 2 am to watch our games on ESPN and BLEED rainbow Pac-12 blood.RaceBannon said:
I don't particularly care about the B1G or the SEC past Bama but since I have 4 B1G channels and the two SEC channels along with CBS and ESPN SEC games I end up watching parts of all of them as I whip it around on a SaturdayPitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
The same would be true if the PAC 12 were in everyone's face. Easterners would at least watch the top teams and know something about them
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Translation: "I got my increase in TV money to renovate my shitty little stadium and that's all a coog AD can hope for."Meek said:Larry Scott's fault according to this article in USA Today that states the Pac12 is a clusterfuck. In fact, Wazzu President, Kirk Schulz even says "....Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott continues to do a great job for our conference.”
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He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though. -
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though. -
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though. -
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
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Respect the businessPitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though. -
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money?
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That's faggy ASU talk there.Pitchfork51 said:
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money? -
Hey dipshitMosster47 said:
That's faggy ASU talk there.Pitchfork51 said:
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money?
ASU and au would be the ones stuck in the shit eastern division
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As it should have been. The Southwest Conference reborn and the old/new PAC 8. Would have been glorious.Pitchfork51 said:
Hey dipshitMosster47 said:
That's faggy ASU talk there.Pitchfork51 said:
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money?
ASU and au would be the ones stuck in the shit eastern division
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Would that put a stop to the crazy amount of success ASU is having in the South? Oh wait....Pitchfork51 said:
Hey dipshitMosster47 said:
That's faggy ASU talk there.Pitchfork51 said:
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money?
ASU and au would be the ones stuck in the shit eastern division -
Fuck offAZDuck said:
As it should have been. The Southwest Conference reborn and the old/new PAC 8. Would have been glorious.Pitchfork51 said:
Hey dipshitMosster47 said:
That's faggy ASU talk there.Pitchfork51 said:
Less money vs Oklahoma and Texas? Absolutely.Mosster47 said:
WVU has no business in the Big XII, but they are there. Are we arguing that Colorado and Utah are better additions than OU and UT?DawgWagonDan said:
Maybe, but neither does ASU and UA...Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Oklahoma and Texas have no business in the pacMosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
Do you hate money?
ASU and au would be the ones stuck in the shit eastern division -
Mosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though.
He had them the second time (OU/Okie State asked to join, which would have brought Texas in by default) and Larry, along with the Univ. Presidents said thanks but no thanks.
When the 4 superconferences model finally takes hold, if the Big XII wins out and grabs the LA Schools, You will see the Pac-12 take the "best" MWC to try and stay relevant. Won't work but they will try. -
Without USC and UCLA, the PAC 12 is the Mtn West.
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Take the top 2 programs out of any conference and they look pretty damn mediocre.salemcoog said:Without USC and UCLA, the PAC 12 is the Mtn West.
Kansas
Kansas State
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
Oklahoma State
NC State
Wake
BC
Louisville
Syracuse
Va Tech
GT
Pitt
UVA
Duke
UNC
Miami
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan State
Rutgers
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Pedo
Missouri
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Vandy
Auburn
UT
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
SC Cocks
TAMU
Yeah, we can quibble about which ACC Florida school to remove and who leaves the SEC with Bama, but every one of those conferences takes a hit without two top schools and only the SEC looks formidable without it's top programs.
The Pacs real problem isn't how bad it looks without the LA schools, it's how bad it looks without USC. We can argue whether UCLA is the second most important Pac program but it's at least in the discussion, and is far less significant than the number two in any of these other conferences. -
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Hey thanks, man. Call me later?RaceBannon said:Todd Turner was great, Mark Emmert was a GOOD President, Ty just needed more time, Pat Haden was great at USC.
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Texas to the Pac-12 was DOA from jump. It was nothing more than FREE PUB for Texas while they yanked Larry around for a week or two. Larry did his due diligence by talking with them but the negotiations began and ended seconds later with equal revenue sharing. There is a reason nobody wants to be in a conference with Texas.Mosster47 said:
He should have been fired the second he couldn't get OU and Texas. People with a vision rarely have success when they are asked for an alternate path.Pitchfork51 said:The directv thing is the main reason I think he sucks.
Night games and crappy slots I don't have a problem with because frankly he recognized the patheticness of PAC fanbases and knew that we would get smoked trying to compete with the big 10 or sec for viewership.
I dont even care that no one east of colorado can see pac games because no one east of colorado gives a fuck about the pac.
It's just retarded that bars IN pac 12 country cant show pac games.
Instead we are shackled to two shitty teams that meant the PNW gets USC once every World Cup, every game that doesn't start at midnight is on a network no one gets, and there is clearly no plan to make any real progress.
The Pac-12 today is closer to the Mountain West than it is to the SEC. He's doing a great job though. -
Texas was pretty into the PAC 16 idea. The Aggies hated it, leaked it to Baylor and TTech and let the deal collapse. At the same time they decided they didn't want to be in the same league as Texas anymore and went SECSECSEC.
Texas was willing to scrap the Longhorn Network for a Southwest Division containing UT, AnM, OU, CU, UofA, ASU, Okie Lite, and either TTech or Baylor.
PAC presidents said "fuck no" to Baylor, which led Ken Starr to start his jihad in the Lege.
It's all in the Shaggy Bevo realignment thred.
