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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    OBK and I agree. And troomps that follow the Trump corporate line are awesome.
    OBK is the poster child of WTGWT. He shares the same dumb line of reasoning as *gasp* Bernie/Hillary supporters. Luckily Trump is a lot smarter than most of the idiots that vote and I thank him for his service.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 112,660 Founders Club

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Or, when people have their shit taken with impunity, they're less likely to get more shit.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    This is the fucking moron you guys are trusting and supporting to know what's best for the net. Meet Ajit Pai, FCC chairman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLQViJuL-c

    And then there's this:

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/ajit-pai-jokes-about-being-a-brainwashed-verizon-puppet-at-the-fcc/

    Might be funny if it wasn't actually true. He really is a Verizon shill.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Fuck cox and fuck comcast.

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
    I'm hearing bandwidth isn't finite, like water or electricity. Shouldn't be a problem then.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 112,660 Founders Club
    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 112,660 Founders Club

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
    I guess every problem doesn't have a solution then
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,618

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
    Hey cunt. I don't have any clue what net neutrality is
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 112,660 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
  • RedRocketRedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    So let's get it done
    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,284

    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    Bored motto.

  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,284
    RedRocket said:

    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    Nerd.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    RedRocket said:

    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
    Sounds like a “taking”
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,901
    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,901

    And I didn't say the change today has anything to do with competition I said we need competition

    Don’t mistake this for siding with Hondon’t, but how is this path towards giant mega corporations encouraging competition
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,901

    ISP's are much much more like utilities than private companies competing in a free market. Agreed that we need competition but this isn't the way that you are going to get it. I am biased in favor of free market solutions but there are very few ways to achieve an actual free market in this case. Laying new fiber in a location is prohibitive in a variety of ways and the existence of the current infrastructure often prohibits it completely. Until wireless catches up with cable you reasonably don't have a shot at real competition.

    That’s the rub right there with this. The improvement of wireless delivery is where things are going. It doesn’t make sense to bury Billions of Dollars worth of fiber to bungfuck Egypt, when in the next few years you will be able to receive high speed internet wirelessly.
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