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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    This is basically just a war over who pays for the HD video that is already hogging all the bandwidth and will soon overwhelm capacity. Obviously shitheads watching Netflix all day should pay more for internet usage than my grandma who does nothing but check her AOL email. This concept is tyranny or something according to liberals. There's no way ISPs start getting into the minutiae of low bandwidth site access speed which is what's actually important about the internet and what liars are pretending the issue is.

    That said I do hope these disgusting cable companies get obliterated because it's impossible to justify their business practices or profits. They lied and bribed their way into local monopolies and then started raping customers without lube. This industry is a perfectly sickening example of typical modern era business.

    You should move to Portugal or the UK. You can pay extra there to access sites like Facebook and Youtube. You can buy social media bundles and video bundles, in addition to what you're already paying for internet access. Make extortion great again. Guyz, you don't have to follow the Trumpster on everything. Sometims he's wrong. Getting rid of net neutrality was the private vendetta of one of his retarded monkey henchman. Just like getting rid of weed is the vendetta of another of his stupid henchman. These people are certifiable idiots, and should have been fired from their posts a long time ago.


    OBK and I agree. And troomps that follow the Trump corporate line are awesome.
    OBK is the poster child of WTGWT. He shares the same dumb line of reasoning as *gasp* Bernie/Hillary supporters. Luckily Trump is a lot smarter than most of the idiots that vote and I thank him for his service.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Or, when people have their shit taken with impunity, they're less likely to get more shit.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    This is the fucking moron you guys are trusting and supporting to know what's best for the net. Meet Ajit Pai, FCC chairman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLQViJuL-c

    And then there's this:

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/ajit-pai-jokes-about-being-a-brainwashed-verizon-puppet-at-the-fcc/

    Might be funny if it wasn't actually true. He really is a Verizon shill.
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Fuck cox and fuck comcast.

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    Verizon and Google both gave up on expanding their fiber networks in the past few years because it was too expensive. Giving Comcast another cock to rape their customers with isn't going to change that.
    I'm hearing bandwidth isn't finite, like water or electricity. Shouldn't be a problem then.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club

    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    For all chintents & purposes, yes. Fiber or something like it is at the ass-end of the wireless towers.
    I guess every problem doesn't have a solution then
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Fuck cox and fuck comcast.

    Fuck off and fuck you. You're against net neutrality, you're going to get what you deserve. No mo high speed HD interweb porno for Bitchfork.
    Hey cunt. I don't have any clue what net neutrality is
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    Does wireless require a fiber network? Again a serious question. I don't know everything I just act like it

    I still want to know why I don't have wireless competition. I said good bye to Comcast in 1999 when I got DirecTV

    Bored motto.

  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    Nerd.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    RedRocket said:

    RedRocket said:

    If this was actually about introducing more competition, the ISPs wouldn't be lobbying in favor of it. HTH


    Again I'm not saying that's what this is I am saying competition is the answer to every complaint in this thread

    Getting rid of NN is a step not the finish

    When companies see they can make money they invest.
    As is this wont promote competition. It just will expand the existing oligopoly. The electric utility industry is already decades ahead of the internet in trying to create competitive market structures. The US has competitive electricity markets but the crux is that the transmission and distribution system are operated by a non-profit third party entity called and ISO or RTO. If you really wanted competion between ISPs a similar structure would have so be set up otherwise barriers to entry are too high.
    So let's get it done
    I'm interested in the local loop unbundeling approach which is what is used in the UK but you have to force ISP to relinquish control over some of their infrastructure. It was already attempted at one point in the US in the 90s and failed but whatever maybe it would work better this time around.
    Sounds like a “taking”
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    And I didn't say the change today has anything to do with competition I said we need competition

    Don’t mistake this for siding with Hondon’t, but how is this path towards giant mega corporations encouraging competition
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    ISP's are much much more like utilities than private companies competing in a free market. Agreed that we need competition but this isn't the way that you are going to get it. I am biased in favor of free market solutions but there are very few ways to achieve an actual free market in this case. Laying new fiber in a location is prohibitive in a variety of ways and the existence of the current infrastructure often prohibits it completely. Until wireless catches up with cable you reasonably don't have a shot at real competition.

    That’s the rub right there with this. The improvement of wireless delivery is where things are going. It doesn’t make sense to bury Billions of Dollars worth of fiber to bungfuck Egypt, when in the next few years you will be able to receive high speed internet wirelessly.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.

    Disagree.

    If folks 401k continues to build, wage increases continue, home values continue to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge, they won’t GAF about this shit.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    salemcoog said:

    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.

    Disagree.

    If folks 401k continues to build, wage increases continue, home values continue to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge, they won’t GAF about this shit.
    Disagree with your disagreement.

    Getting ripped off and knowing ISPs now have the ability to control the flow and access to information on the internet, pisses people off who understand the situation, regardless of wage increase, home values continuing to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    salemcoog said:

    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.

    Disagree.

    If folks 401k continues to build, wage increases continue, home values continue to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge, they won’t GAF about this shit.
    Sounds like the 16 election. I feel like people GAF about other shit.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    2001400ex said:

    salemcoog said:

    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.

    Disagree.

    If folks 401k continues to build, wage increases continue, home values continue to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge, they won’t GAF about this shit.
    Sounds like the 16 election. I feel like people GAF about other shit.
    They don’t.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    salemcoog said:

    Fellow Troomps, this is the wrong hill to die on. I don't want to be carting off corpses by thread's end. This is a dark horse wedge issue that pisses a lot of people off. Enough to swing elections. Support for net neutrality is across the bored. More than 75% of democrats AND republicans oppose these changes.

    Disagree.

    If folks 401k continues to build, wage increases continue, home values continue to rise and no new wars or conflicts emerge, they won’t GAF about this shit.
    Sounds like the 16 election. I feel like people GAF about other shit.
    They don’t.
    If they did, Hillary would have won. Clearly she was awful and there were other reasons.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
    The telephone industry was broken up and deregulated, the results of which have been spectacularly good. Same is true for the airline industry, which also operated under similar "public utility" regulations prior to 1978.

    So called "Net Neutrality" regulation was a step backward in an industry that was doing just fine until big government control freaks decided to use the heavy hand of government to regulate it. Removing "Net Neutrality" regulations will spur investment and competition amongst ISPs, and the FTC can and will address anti-completive practices should they arise.

    The real issue that many of you seem to be ignoring is that Obama's internet regulations were designed to favor extremely large content providers at the expense of the ISPs. It's not terribly surprising that this point has been missed since these content providers have been able to control the message by sheer volume. The fact of the matter is that we're at a point where large content providers should be viewed as monopolies and the focus should instead be on considering which need to be broken up.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
    The telephone industry was broken up and deregulated, the results of which have been spectacularly good. Same is true for the airline industry, which also operated under similar "public utility" regulations prior to 1978.

    So called "Net Neutrality" regulation was a step backward in an industry that was doing just fine until big government control freaks decided to use the heavy hand of government to regulate it. Removing "Net Neutrality" regulations will spur investment and competition amongst ISPs, and the FTC can and will address anti-completive practices should they arise.

    The real issue that many of you seem to be ignoring is that Obama's internet regulations were designed to favor extremely large content providers at the expense of the ISPs. It's not terribly surprising that this point has been missed since these content providers have been able to control the message by sheer volume. The fact of the matter is that we're at a point where large content providers should be viewed as monopolies and the focus should instead be on considering which need to be broken up.
    Please to be explaining how content providers made money on net neutrality rules. I know how ISPs will monetize this. At some point you'll pay more for access to Netflix or whatever.

    And no this won't spur investment like you say it will.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
    The telephone industry was broken up and deregulated, the results of which have been spectacularly good. Same is true for the airline industry, which also operated under similar "public utility" regulations prior to 1978.

    So called "Net Neutrality" regulation was a step backward in an industry that was doing just fine until big government control freaks decided to use the heavy hand of government to regulate it. Removing "Net Neutrality" regulations will spur investment and competition amongst ISPs, and the FTC can and will address anti-completive practices should they arise.

    The real issue that many of you seem to be ignoring is that Obama's internet regulations were designed to favor extremely large content providers at the expense of the ISPs. It's not terribly surprising that this point has been missed since these content providers have been able to control the message by sheer volume. The fact of the matter is that we're at a point where large content providers should be viewed as monopolies and the focus should instead be on considering which need to be broken up.
    Comcast had no issue with Net Neutrality. They helped write it
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.

    You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.

    It really is though, at least it should be. Landline telephones are a utility and one can easily argue that the internet is just as vital and has a much wider scope than telephone service. It’s just another brick in the one corporation wall we are heading towards.

    This thing isn’t what capitalism is supposed to be.


    And I don’t like it.

    Not one bit.
    The telephone industry was broken up and deregulated, the results of which have been spectacularly good. Same is true for the airline industry, which also operated under similar "public utility" regulations prior to 1978.

    So called "Net Neutrality" regulation was a step backward in an industry that was doing just fine until big government control freaks decided to use the heavy hand of government to regulate it. Removing "Net Neutrality" regulations will spur investment and competition amongst ISPs, and the FTC can and will address anti-completive practices should they arise.

    The real issue that many of you seem to be ignoring is that Obama's internet regulations were designed to favor extremely large content providers at the expense of the ISPs. It's not terribly surprising that this point has been missed since these content providers have been able to control the message by sheer volume. The fact of the matter is that we're at a point where large content providers should be viewed as monopolies and the focus should instead be on considering which need to be broken up.
    Comcast had no issue with Net Neutrality. They helped write it
    If that's the case I'm against it.


    Comcast may be the worst company in the entire us.

    Even if OBK is right and Amazon is more destructive, at least they provide a legit service and make things very easy and convenient for people.