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Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
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It's growing fast as fuck for those on the upper side of the spectrum. It's decelerating at the same pace for those fucks who can't keep up...ergo, homelessness.UWhuskytskeet said:
Honest to god, I'm not calling for genocide on the homeless - but trying to assimilate them into 'regular' life just isn't working. Might be better to build camps and send them off to someplace between Ellensberg and Moses Lake to get their shit together. Tent cities under the freeway ain't cutting it.
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The article thesis is that liberal Seattle policies have had the inverse effect that were intended and further exacerbated the homelessness problem they intended to correct. Let's argue about that rather than economic growth and other bullshit that may have been mentioned somewhere, but isn't the point of the article. Or not.
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The article loses credibility when stupid shit like that is said in like the third paragraph.Swaye said:The article thesis is that liberal Seattle policies have had the inverse effect that were intended and further exacerbated the homelessness problem they intended to correct. Let's argue about that rather than economic growth and other bullshit that may have been mentioned somewhere, but isn't the point of the article. Or not.
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Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
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Not to mention that wage growth has exploded, from like 65k per household in 2011 to almost 90k per household in 2017. I would imagine that's in the top 5 in the country for percent growth as well.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
That being said, yes Seattle has some fucktarded policies and I don't agree with the head tax. And housing is out of control, but you can always choose to live in maltby. -
Guess we might as well not even pitch the tents then.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs. -
Nobody is claiming that the democrats and liberals aren't great for the 1%. That's who they serve
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The article rightly criticizes some of Seattle stupid policy decisions like minimum wage, zoning and head tax but its a big stretch to say these policies are the primary drivers of Seattle's homeless problem. Seattle coddles the homeless so it's become a magnet. Drugs, mental illness and lack of enforcent are the drivers.
Minimum wage has maybe impaced some service jobs but these people could easily move outside of Seattle proper to escape. Zoning has more to do with Seattle's home ownership affordability crisis. Seattle has built plenty of new apts. Head tax is LIPO. -
Reasonable response. The coddling part is probably a big part of the problem.RedRocket said:The article rightly criticizes some of Seattle stupid policy decisions like minimum wage, zoning and head tax but its a big stretch to say these policies are the primary drivers of Seattle's homeless problem. Seattle coddles the homeless so it's become a magnet. Drugs, mental illness and lack of enforcent are the drivers.
Minimum wage has maybe impaced some service jobs but these people could easily move outside of Seattle proper to escape. Zoning has more to do with Seattle's home ownership affordability crisis. Seattle has built plenty of new apts. Head tax is LIPO. -
Lots of land out toward Vantage. Build the shit out of tiny houses and start the rehab process.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
Then maybe move them to Kittitas when they pass certain requirements - drug testing, education, full mouth of teeth.
Earn your way back into civilization.
The Throbber is not kidding. Rich people go to rehab and they get cleaned up. Do the same for the poor. It's insanity to think throwing degenerates into an encampment of degenerates with full access to needles and booze and drugs and no food is the optimum environment for turning one's life around.
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This sounds like a pretty good party to me.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of land out toward Vantage. Build the shit out of tiny houses and start the rehab process.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
Then maybe move them to Kittitas when they pass certain requirements - drug testing, education, full mouth of teeth.
Earn your way back into civilization.
The Throbber is not kidding. Rich people go to rehab and they get cleaned up. Do the same for the poor. It's insanity to think throwing degenerates into an encampment of degenerates with full access to needles and booze and drugs and no food is the optimum environment for turning one's life around.
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You can take the boy out of the rez but....Swaye said:
This sounds like a pretty good party to me.PurpleThrobber said:
Lots of land out toward Vantage. Build the shit out of tiny houses and start the rehab process.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
Then maybe move them to Kittitas when they pass certain requirements - drug testing, education, full mouth of teeth.
Earn your way back into civilization.
The Throbber is not kidding. Rich people go to rehab and they get cleaned up. Do the same for the poor. It's insanity to think throwing degenerates into an encampment of degenerates with full access to needles and booze and drugs and no food is the optimum environment for turning one's life around.
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more like commie than liberal
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Liberals suck. HTH
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Problem is a loud mouth Paki bitch blames people for 'right wing nimbyism" when they want bums to stop defecating and shooting up next to their homes.
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She can go to the Vantage camp too.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:Problem is a loud mouth Paki bitch blames people for 'right wing nimbyism" when they want bums to stop defecating and shooting up next to their homes.
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Simple...The article is wrong on job loss.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
That doesn't mean the city doesn't have a homeless problem. As mentioned, I think a lot of it has to do with city hall pandering to them. Perfect example is Eugene/Springfield. A few years ago the city of Springfield banned panhandling, so what did the homeless do? They walked across the bridge to Eugene and took up shop there. Now the city of Eugene has double the amount of transients, because the city allows them to be there. If people stopped giving them money and the police were allowed to kick them out of parks and river beds, they would go somewhere else. It's like having a deadbeat child living in your home. The child isn't going to move out or get a job if he/she is allowed to mooch from the fridge and use the home WiFi at no charge. -
The Throbber finds that last part extremely hurtful.greenblood said:
Simple...The article is wrong on job loss.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
That doesn't mean the city doesn't have a homeless problem. As mentioned, I think a lot of it has to do with city hall pandering to them. Perfect example is Eugene/Springfield. A few years ago the city of Springfield banned panhandling, so what did the homeless do? They walked across the bridge to Eugene and took up shop there. Now the city of Eugene has double the amount of transients, because the city allows them to be there. If people stopped giving them money and the police were allowed to kick them out of parks and river beds, they would go somewhere else. It's like having a deadbeat child living in your home. The child isn't going to move out or get a job if he/she is allowed to mooch from the fridge and use the home WiFi at no charge.
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I'm just a bad person...PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber finds that last part extremely hurtful.greenblood said:
Simple...The article is wrong on job loss.UWhuskytskeet said:
Then why the fuck is the article talking about losing jobs?greenblood said:Seattle isn’t losing jobs...yet, however the city does have a high amount of homeless per capita. Out of control homelessness and economic growth can coexist.
Seattle built more apartments than any city in the country this decade.
Now there are signs the supply is catching up with demand, as rents have stagnated.
Swaye - the thesis of the article is that Seattle's regulations on new housing are preventing the area from building enough units to meet demand. Seattle has more cranes than any city in the country, and has built more new units than any city in the country. The only point I agree with is that condo regulations are retarded here, but that isn't contributing to homelessness as apartments are being built instead.
This amounts to laughing at Seattle for growing too fast due to a great economy and high paying jobs.
That doesn't mean the city doesn't have a homeless problem. As mentioned, I think a lot of it has to do with city hall pandering to them. Perfect example is Eugene/Springfield. A few years ago the city of Springfield banned panhandling, so what did the homeless do? They walked across the bridge to Eugene and took up shop there. Now the city of Eugene has double the amount of transients, because the city allows them to be there. If people stopped giving them money and the police were allowed to kick them out of parks and river beds, they would go somewhere else. It's like having a deadbeat child living in your home. The child isn't going to move out or get a job if he/she is allowed to mooch from the fridge and use the home WiFi at no charge. -
I hear there’s a giant ship bound for Alaska docked in the harbor with food and room accommodations for just over 4,000 people.
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That would be the best financial decision made by the current city hall.UWerentThereMan said:I hear there’s a giant ship bound for Alaska docked in the harbor with food and room accommodations for just over 4,000 people.
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It used to be fine to live in tents.
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The Homeless population is growing exponentially in every community over 100,000 people. Homelessness is to the current as to what violent crime was to the 70s and 80s. We were able to stem violent crime by mandatory minimums and and building a shit load of prisons. However that was extremely expensive and really didn’t reduce recidivism much.
While the impact of violent crime and homelessness on a community are much different, it appears that we are using a similar solution to the problem by investing in more flop houses instead of investing in mental health and job training. And in many communities, they are using prime real estate for these flophouses that will inevitably hurt the property values and businesses around them.
And for those that actually give money to the pan handlers, instead of a local charity, you should be fined yourself. As you are only adding to the problem -
I haven't given a dime to a bum in 20 + years. I know some here say everyone needs a drink now and then - and I get that - but it's really as simple as if you give money to pan handlers, they will pan handle.salemcoog said:The Homeless population is growing exponentially in every community over 100,000 people. Homelessness is to the current as to what violent crime was to the 70s and 80s. We were able to stem violent crime by mandatory minimums and and building a shit load of prisons. However that was extremely expensive and really didn’t reduce recidivism much.
While the impact of violent crime and homelessness on a community are much different, it appears that we are using a similar solution to the problem by investing in more flop houses instead of investing in mental health and job training. And in many communities, they are using prime real estate for these flophouses that will inevitably hurt the property values and businesses around them.
And for those that actually give money to the pan handlers, instead of a local charity, you should be fined yourself. As you are only adding to the problem -
The Tent Cities always have the best bicycle chop shops.uzi said:It used to be fine to live in tents.
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Where the fuck is the earthquake? The only way Seattle changes is with a hard reset.
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That’s not going to stop the collection agency from pursuing repayment of the debt you defaulted on. Stealing is not ok.phineas said:Where the fuck is the earthquake? The only way Seattle changes is with a hard reset.
