Hip hop next?
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Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle. -
One more time with feeling:YellowSnow said:
Oh you mean like their first 5 albums being all tim classics? Come on now - they among the all tim greatest hip hop groups. Their samples and rhymes were as good as anything from the 80s and 90s.dnc said:
Beastie Boys have no business as a 1 seed. Stop that shit.YellowSnow said:
As chinfluential as NWA was, they feel like a #2 seed at best. They really only had 1 classic album. If I was in charge of the future Hip Hop tourney seedings - I won't because there are others here way more dialed in than me on the genre - I think Public Enemy should be a lock for a #1 seed. If we are being truly objective, B-Boys gotta be a #1 seed too, cultural appropriation or not. White peeps buy a ton of hip hop records too.Swaye said:Dude, I was a total metal head rolling around singing "Woke up quick, at about noon, just thought that I had to be in Compton soon..."
NWA is so deeply game changing, there is no way they don't win. I get that there have probably been much better rappers (I don't know a ton of rap but I assume), but shit man, NWA is legend.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle.
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Fuck I forgot Nas
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I think you have to seed Dre as an individual and he's a 1dnc said:Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle. -
Our lists pretty much align here and I'm not gonna die on a hill for the B-Boys as hip hop isn't my specialty. That said, from a raw numbers stand point, lotta white boys bought rap records too.dnc said:Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle. -
hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off. -
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off. -
Beastie Boys were really important to rap...if you were white. I gotta agree with @dnc on this one.YellowSnow said:
Our lists pretty much align here and I'm not gonna die on a hill for the B-Boys as hip hop isn't my specialty. That said, from a raw numbers stand point, lotta white boys bought rap records too.dnc said:Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle. -
I used to think you and @GrundleStiltzkin were the same being based on the level of computer nerd shit and what not- e.g., poaster popularity metrics. But then the musical tastes were way too divergent. Or were they?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off. -
He’s not really a legendary emcee though. Producer yes. Lyricist he has one legendary album a decent one spread out over a decade.Bad_MotherDucker said:
I think you have to seed Dre as an individual and he's a 1dnc said:Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle.
I think Ice Cube is much closer to a one by himself than Dre, and I fucking love Dre. -
High levels of computer nerd shit and academis maths from UW alumni? Weird shit man. Next you are going to tell me I'm an alt of @RoadDawg55YellowSnow said:
I used to think you and @GrundleStiltzkin were the same being based on the level of computer nerd shit and what not- e.g., poaster popularity metrics. But then the musical tastes were way too divergent. Or were they?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off.
Shout out to @AIRWOLF as well. -
I'm team I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH, so you guys are all pretty much the same to me.UW_Doog_Bot said:
High levels of computer nerd shit and academis maths from UW alumni? Weird shit man. Next you are going to tell me I'm an alt of @RoadDawg55YellowSnow said:
I used to think you and @GrundleStiltzkin were the same being based on the level of computer nerd shit and what not- e.g., poaster popularity metrics. But then the musical tastes were way too divergent. Or were they?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off.
Shout out to @AIRWOLF as well. -
But those weren’t rap fans they were Beastie Boys fans. Beasties get credit for opening white America to embrace rap but if you’re not relevant to rap stations and rap fans you’re not relevant to the genre. They’re tangential at best.YellowSnow said:
Our lists pretty much align here and I'm not gonna die on a hill for the B-Boys as hip hop isn't my specialty. That said, from a raw numbers stand point, lotta white boys bought rap records too.dnc said:Worthy of consideration fo a 1 seed:
Groups
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
Wu Tang
Outkast
Chindividuals
Snoop
Pac
Biggie
Lil Wayne
Kanye
Jay Z
Eminem
That's the list. You could maybe talk me into an Eric B and Rakim, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, the Roots or Big Daddy Kane if I"m feeling generous, but there's really nobody else who transcends the genre the way these do.
If black people don't like your shit you're not a fucking one seed in a rap battle.
That’s not to dismiss their talent which exists but none of them were gonna hang in, let alone win a rap battle against any top 300 lyricists of all time, let alone the giants listed here.
Also, way too much fucking guitar.
Eminem is different in that while white America loves him too he has actual street cred and can toe to toe with any emcee in any era. Having someone with the street credentials of Dre bring him to the public gave him instant credibility the Beasties never had or could have had. Em has a huge black following and black radio influence.
Rap is a culture as much as it is music and Beasties fail the culture test. Good band. I enjoy their music. I’d tolerate them in the bracket because white people. Don’t belong anywhere near a one just because they sold records. Fuck, MC Hammer sold albums. -
I'd rather seed a Cash Money Vs. No Limit tournament.
Make em say UUUUUUUUUUGh!! -
Not UW alum, and shitty at math.UW_Doog_Bot said:
High levels of computer nerd shit and academis maths from UW alumni? Weird shit man. Next you are going to tell me I'm an alt of @RoadDawg55YellowSnow said:
I used to think you and @GrundleStiltzkin were the same being based on the level of computer nerd shit and what not- e.g., poaster popularity metrics. But then the musical tastes were way too divergent. Or were they?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off.
Shout out to @AIRWOLF as well.
Fair to middling script-kiddie. -
That’s cool. What was your first rap CD?Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off. -
Hootie hoo!!!Doogles said:I'd rather seed a Cash Money Vs. No Limit tournament.
Make em say UUUUUUUUUUGh!!
I generally hate No Limit but they were masters of the nonsensical catchy one liners -
I'm not sure.dnc said:
That’s cool. What was your first rap CD?Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off.
My earliest memories of recording tapes off the radio was the song ghetto superstar.
So something around then
Mid 90s -
In the early 80's white guy rap cred consisted of saying Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and something about the Sugar Hill gang to show you were there early
But I was a big Run DMC guy BEFORE MTV made them white.
Because its like that and thats the way it is -
People forget that the Clash and Blondie did rap in 1980- 81. The white people wanting to get in on the hip hop block party started early.RaceBannon said:In the early 80's white guy rap cred consisted of saying Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and something about the Sugar Hill gang to show you were there early
But I was a big Run DMC guy BEFORE MTV made them white.
Because its like that and thats the way it is -
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GrundleStiltzkin said:
Not UW alum, and shitty at math.UW_Doog_Bot said:
High levels of computer nerd shit and academis maths from UW alumni? Weird shit man. Next you are going to tell me I'm an alt of @RoadDawg55YellowSnow said:
I used to think you and @GrundleStiltzkin were the same being based on the level of computer nerd shit and what not- e.g., poaster popularity metrics. But then the musical tastes were way too divergent. Or were they?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sometims I believe your account has to be a parody account. Sometims I like to do that.Pitchfork51 said:hey faggots
license to ill was the first cd i owned.
fuck off.
Shout out to @AIRWOLF as well.
Fair to middling script-kiddie.
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Tims a legendary producer, great boot and decent rapper. Not bracket quality IMO.Doogles said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPWd1gijXSA
The 90s and Timbaland go hand in hand.
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Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era. -
I think we might have found our tournament chairman.dnc said:Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era. -
Fuck me for leaving off the female GOAT, Lauryn Hill
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I'll need to lean heavily on Grundle and some of you other old heads on 80s seeding. I know most of the generally considered best acts but wouldn't be confident in ranking them. I'd probably need BTP or some other teen boys held in the 10's because fuck rap sucks now. But I could nail the middle two decades and have a decent framework for the first and last.YellowSnow said:
I think we might have found our tournament chairman.dnc said:Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era. -
I love you pookie.dnc said:
I'll need to lean heavily on Grundle and some of you other old heads on 80s seeding. I know most of the generally considered best acts but wouldn't be confident in ranking them. I'd probably need BTP or some other teen boys held in the 10's because fuck rap sucks now. But I could nail the middle two decades and have a decent framework for the first and last.YellowSnow said:
I think we might have found our tournament chairman.dnc said:Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era. -
The teens will still have Kendrick, and even though old fogies might not be Kendrick fans he's one of if not the best rapper in the game right now. Everything he touches turns to fire. He's a genius. It seems like every album is better than the last. m.A.A.d city was considered one of the best albums of the decade, then he dropped Pimp a Butterfly, then he dropped DAMN.dnc said:Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era.
Migos hasn't really been around with that level of popularity for as long, since Culture was really what propelled them into superstardom, even though YRN did gain a lot of popularity. They really didn't get anything until Versace in 2013, then Look at my Dab got them popular right as Culture came out.
J Cole is interesting because 2014 Forest Hills Drive was really good (double plat with no features) but KOD and Eyez Only were much less acclaimed by fans (although popular). KOD is better than Eyez Only in terms of Twitterscape reception, with ATM and Kevin's Heart being general favorites. He has his own very distinct style when it comes to beats and lyricism. Friday Night Lights was a really fucking good mixtape.
Drake is obviously super popular, and he's interesting because I personally kind of liked most of his music but wasn't crazy about it, but as I listed more it gets better. God's Plan is super popular right now. It seems like every single he releases is its own distinct hit.
Kanye is Kanye. Twisted Fantasy (possible album of the decade), Throne, Yeezus, and Pablo all since 2010. Super controversial but all time best seller.
Chance the Rapper is super popular but for whatever reason I'm not really into a lot of his music. I'm so fucking white.
If you count Frank Ocean he's had two super highly acclaimed albums recently with channel ORANGE and blonde.
Post Malone is super popular right now and outside of Logic and Eminem is easily the best white Hip Hop guy. beerbongs and bentleys was fucking great. Lots of hits.
DJ Khaled has been successful but fuck that guy, he just dickrides more talented acts with his beats.
Macklemore is trash but white people.
Childish Gambino is really fucking good. This is America just came out but just shows what he can do as an artist.
Rae Srummurd's album just came out but he makes good music. Powerglide is great despite being overplayed, then there are songs like Black Beatle.
Lil Uzi is really new to the game, but has already dropped several bangers, even though his last song was shit. Tour Llif3 was really good.
Earl Sweatshirt is a guy that I haven't listened to but my friends swear he is super talented. Same goes with Logic.
NF has talent but Christian rap doesn't really count. The white boy in me loves his music.
Future is another really good one. I love his shit.
If you're into the more comedic genre Lil Dicky is really really talented but fucks around a lot. Freaky Friday with Chris Brown was really good shit.
My friends all hate Kodak but he is talented, even if his music is trash.
Cardi B and Nicki Minaj fucking suck. So does Iggy Azalea.
I probably forgot some but that's what the teens has. -
TFO of here with Post Malone. Oldmanyellingatcloud.gif but fucking fuck that fucking fuck. It's shit like Post Malone that makes people hate millennials.jhfstyle24 said:
The teens will still have Kendrick, and even though old fogies might not be Kendrick fans he's one of if not the best rapper in the game right now. Everything he touches turns to fire. He's a genius. It seems like every album is better than the last. m.A.A.d city was considered one of the best albums of the decade, then he dropped Pimp a Butterfly, then he dropped DAMN.dnc said:Well I'm thinking of this in terms of decades:
80s
90s
00s
teens
The 90s is going to be fucking stacked. Easily the golden age. The teens is going to be the weakest by far. Timbaland probably makes the bracket if its straight 64 but I don't think he cracks the 90s top 16.
Pac
Biggie
Outkast (could put them in 00s for balance though)
Dre
Ice Cube
Goodie Mobb
Bushwick Bill
Jadakiss
Warren G
Too Short
Wu collectively, plus Method Man, and ODB individually
Redman
Juvy
E40
Mace
Mobb Deep
Tribe Called Quest
Naughty By Nature
and while not my tastes you have to add Puff Daddy, Master P and Salt N Pepa as well.
All those are probably ahead of Timbaland in the 90s line, IMO and that's just off the top of my head so I'm sure I'm overlooking a few people. I'd argue for 8 Ball and MJG too though they straddle the 90s 00 line as well. Tim might fair better in the 00s.
Stacked era.
Migos hasn't really been around with that level of popularity for as long, since Culture was really what propelled them into superstardom, even though YRN did gain a lot of popularity. They really didn't get anything until Versace in 2013, then Look at my Dab got them popular right as Culture came out.
J Cole is interesting because 2014 Forest Hills Drive was really good (double plat with no features) but KOD and Eyez Only were much less acclaimed by fans (although popular). KOD is better than Eyez Only in terms of Twitterscape reception, with ATM and Kevin's Heart being general favorites. He has his own very distinct style when it comes to beats and lyricism. Friday Night Lights was a really fucking good mixtape.
Drake is obviously super popular, and he's interesting because I personally kind of liked most of his music but wasn't crazy about it, but as I listed more it gets better. God's Plan is super popular right now. It seems like every single he releases is its own distinct hit.
Kanye is Kanye. Twisted Fantasy (possible album of the decade), Throne, Yeezus, and Pablo all since 2010. Super controversial but all time best seller.
Chance the Rapper is super popular but for whatever reason I'm not really into a lot of his music. I'm so fucking white.
If you count Frank Ocean he's had two super highly acclaimed albums recently with channel ORANGE and blonde.
Post Malone is super popular right now and outside of Logic and Eminem is easily the best white Hip Hop guy. beerbongs and bentleys was fucking great. Lots of hits.
DJ Khaled has been successful but fuck that guy, he just dickrides more talented acts with his beats.
Macklemore is trash but white people.
Childish Gambino is really fucking good. This is America just came out but just shows what he can do as an artist.
Rae Srummurd's album just came out but he makes good music. Powerglide is great despite being overplayed, then there are songs like Black Beatle.
Lil Uzi is really new to the game, but has already dropped several bangers, even though his last song was shit. Tour Llif3 was really good.
Earl Sweatshirt is a guy that I haven't listened to but my friends swear he is super talented. Same goes with Logic.
NF has talent but Christian rap doesn't really count. The white boy in me loves his music.
Future is another really good one. I love his shit.
If you're into the more comedic genre Lil Dicky is really really talented but fucks around a lot. Freaky Friday with Chris Brown was really good shit.
My friends all hate Kodak but he is talented, even if his music is trash.
Cardi B and Nicki Minaj fucking suck. So does Iggy Azalea.
I probably forgot some but that's what the teens has.
Lacrae > NF if we're taking Christian acts.
Fuck Future because #GoHawks.
Gambino's a talented motherfukkker.
Otherwise good shit. You can seed the 10's as long as you promise to leave white Iverson out of it.
