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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign slobbering over her ballzak.
    Crisped.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I don't think Romney will switch parties.

    They'll roll out Pocahontas and Inslee.

    Dumb and dumber.



    Romney was running for Senate in Utah.

    HTH
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    edited May 2018

    This is correct.

    If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,567 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2018
    2001400ex said:

    Romney was running for Senate in Utah.

    HTH
    Sure.gif.

    That's not his end game.

    Point being (aside from the one on the top of your head) - Romney's a moderate that would roll as a Democrat. But the Dems are too hung up strutting their intellectual elitism to actually run someone with a chance to win.

  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Of course she and the party blew it. They sill believed in the failed “third way” centrism and they projected elitism. That’s what I’ve been saying. That is the reason the democratic party is loathed from the left and why they didn’t turn out in 2016.

    You have the right premise that the establishment Dems and the party machine are discredited failures. Your problem is that you can’t see that that was the argument of the progressive base who wanted to move the party away from neoliberalism and back towards working class populism. That’s the liberalism I’m talking about. Material concerns. Not the stupid bathroom shit.
    That I can follow. Populism and whatever flavor of socialism share a kindred desire to take other people's shit. Democrats blew and are blowing the chance to co-opt that voting bloc.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    This is correct.

    If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
    I truly curious your view of increasingly unfettered capitalism.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Sure.gif.

    That's not his end game.

    Point being (aside from the one on the top of your head) - Romney's a moderate that would roll as a Democrat. But the Dems are too hung up strutting their intellectual elitism to actually run someone with a chance to win.

    I don't know if he would roll as a Democrat but he isn't conservative enough for Utah.



    As a side point. I always wonder why a dude like Romney, who never has to work again and has access to many corporate boards to keep him engaged, wants to be a senator.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    I don't know if he would roll as a Democrat but he isn't conservative enough for Utah.



    As a side point. I always wonder why a dude like Romney, who never has to work again and has access to many corporate boards to keep him engaged, wants to be a senator.
    I think Romney has that old-school patrician called-to-serve thing. Or daddy issues. Don't twist.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    I truly curious your view of increasingly unfettered capitalism.
    In short summary since the 80’s: union busting, tax cuts for wealthy, increasing financialization of the economy where almost all profit is in the financial sector, massive corporate consolidation combined with increased political power, deindustrialization.

    The culmination of this is that since the financial crisis in ‘08 over 95% of income growth has gone to 1% of the population. Whether you believe that constitutes a healthy society or not is up to you.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.

    Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.

    I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.

    And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.

    Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
    Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,840

    Of course she and the party blew it. They sill believed in the failed “third way” centrism and they projected elitism. That’s what I’ve been saying. That is the reason the democratic party is loathed from the left and why they didn’t turn out in 2016.

    You have the right premise that the establishment Dems and the party machine are discredited failures. Your problem is that you can’t see that that was the argument of the progressive base who wanted to move the party away from neoliberalism and back towards working class populism. That’s the liberalism I’m talking about. Material concerns. Not the stupid bathroom shit.
    Ok, I understand your point now.

    Yes, I agree. Any strategic move away from blue collar populism was a disaster. And Trump moved right in and grabbed it away from them.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2018

    In short summary since the 80’s: union busting, tax cuts for wealthy, increasing financialization of the economy where almost all profit is in the financial sector, massive corporate consolidation combined with increased political power, deindustrialization.

    The culmination of this is that since the financial crisis in ‘08 over 95% of income growth has gone to 1% of the population. Whether you believe that constitutes a healthy society or not is up to you.
    Yeah, I'm not smart enough to figure any of that out. I'm always in favor of tax cuts, or in order words, taking less money from the people who earn it. One can always send a larger check to the Treasury if one feels one's tax bill is too low.

    During that same time period, the Federal Register has run between 65,000 and 80,000 pages annually. Eh, I was going to write someone about artificially created chincentives, but I lost interest.

    Edit - what Creep said
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,840

    Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.
    I had missed your intervening post. I gotcha.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,567 Standard Supporter

    I had missed your chintervening post. I gotcha.
    C'mon creep. You're better than that.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,841 Standard Supporter

    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive communist base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican communist health care reform and expanded our forever wars by arming our enemies and creating ISIS in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate communist who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly. socialists.

    A democrat communist from the leftcommunist-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    All fixed.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825
    Sledog said:

    I only hated the white half of Obama.
    ybe
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