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Fixed for you.allpurpleallgold said:@HardlyClothed post more selfies.
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The only thing Tump is gonna get reelected to, is "fuck toy of the week" by the biker gangs in cell block D.Swaye said:...when Trump gets reelected.
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Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut. -
Just like all Republicans do is sell lies. Like Obamacare will crater the economy. Tax cuts will increase revenue. Democrats are taking your guns. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies. Etc.salemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut. -
I thought I told you to get back there and change the fryer oil.2001400ex said:
Just like all Republicans do is sell lies. Like Obamacare will crater the economy. Tax cuts will increase revenue. Democrats are taking your guns. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies. Etc.salemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
And it’s clear in your case that Planned Parenthood failed us, just when we needed them most. So fuck them. -
Trump lost the popular vote, but. he loves the poorly educated joe lunch boxsalemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
I thought I told you to increase revenue or I am going to shut you down. -
Pretty quick reply. Given that Stormy Daniels was on SNL tonight and all. Figured you’d be looking for more clues as how the TSIO for Trump. But then again after filling the load sock, all focus is lost,amiright???CirrhosisDawg said:
Trump lost the popular vote, but. he loves the poorly educated joe lunch boxsalemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
I thought I told you to increase revenue or I am going to shut you down. -
Didn't think you had a response. I'm just glad that deficits don't matter anymore and we can use U3 unemployment and stock market values again as a measure of the economy.salemcoog said:
I thought I told you to get back there and change the fryer oil.2001400ex said:
Just like all Republicans do is sell lies. Like Obamacare will crater the economy. Tax cuts will increase revenue. Democrats are taking your guns. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies. Etc.salemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
And it’s clear in your case that Planned Parenthood failed us, just when we needed them most. So fuck them. -
Beats removing millions from the unemployment rolls to reduce unemployment.2001400ex said:
Didn't think you had a response. I'm just glad that deficits don't matter anymore and we can use U3 unemployment and stock market values again as a measure of the economy.salemcoog said:
I thought I told you to get back there and change the fryer oil.2001400ex said:
Just like all Republicans do is sell lies. Like Obamacare will crater the economy. Tax cuts will increase revenue. Democrats are taking your guns. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies. Etc.salemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
And it’s clear in your case that Planned Parenthood failed us, just when we needed them most. So fuck them. -
Respond to what????2001400ex said:
Didn't think you had a response. I'm just glad that deficits don't matter anymore and we can use U3 unemployment and stock market values again as a measure of the economy.salemcoog said:
I thought I told you to get back there and change the fryer oil.2001400ex said:
Just like all Republicans do is sell lies. Like Obamacare will crater the economy. Tax cuts will increase revenue. Democrats are taking your guns. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies. Etc.salemcoog said:
Great. So what is going to motivate these people to switch back to voting Democrat? All Democrats do is promote victimology and free shit for the poor. Joe Lunchbox doesn’t want his hard earned tax dollars to pay for that shit and feels these people should get off their ass and get a real job.HardlyClothed said:
Of course I don’t think Joe Lunchbox has a nuanced understanding of the labor theory of value but he’s not stupid enough to see that his material interests have been damaged by both political parties for the last 30+ years.creepycoug said:
Dude. You. Are. Presuming. Too. Much.HardlyClothed said:
This is correct.GrundleStiltzkin said:creepycoug said:
Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.HardlyClothed said:
What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.creepycoug said:
Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.Pitchfork51 said:
Oh my God.HardlyClothed said:
This is garbage poltical analysis.Swaye said:
All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRRPitchfork51 said:I can't see any way he doesn't.
I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.
Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.
The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.
Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.
A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
They are gonna do it too.
They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.
Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".
If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.
Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.
You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?
The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
If you can’t put together how our political shift (in both parties) towards unfettered capitalism is and has been failing the majority of working class people since the 1980’s and the resulting failure of neoliberalism in the Democratic party then you don’t truly understand why Hillary lost.
Do you REALLY think that moderate democrats are contemplating the implications of "unfettered capitalism" and musing about "neoliberalism"? Axe Sledog if he knows what those words mean, and you'll get an idea of who fs this is.
I suppose you think that Joe Lunchbox reads Das Kapital and Wealth of Nations on his smoke breaks.
And we haven't moved towards unfettered capitalism. Read a Dickens novel if you want to know what that really looks like.
Trump's policies most closely mirror classic Democratic populism ... the kind of shit that is popular with unions and blue collar, lower middle-class working stiffs. You know, protectionism, tarriffs, "America first" and all that shit. There is nothing unfettered about it, unless you're choosing to just focus on the tax cut.
And it’s clear in your case that Planned Parenthood failed us, just when we needed them most. So fuck them.
You can't even keep track of whose roasting you anymore.
Sad.
