Mataio Soli, 2019 4* DE, Douglasville (Douglas County HS), GA (Offered)

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Dennis_DeYoung said:

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dnc said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Ice_Holmvik said:

My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.

Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.

If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.

You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.

I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.

I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.

Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.

They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.

Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:

YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.

So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.

Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.

But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?

None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!

On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.

How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?

Fucking show me.

So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.

I'm sure if I went to Princeton I would think there is some easy or obvious solution, but because I didn't, I understand the world is complex and there's no easy fixes.

What do you do when someone has trouble selling, but you can't get rid of him because he's too valuable?

One thing I might try and do is get an out-of-state win for K to get his confidence going. When you are on a losing streak you get weird. Everyone does. I think this strategy is going to generate a lot of 'thanks but no thanks'es and I don't think that's good for anyone.

I might shift the focus massively to in-region eval and get some offers out to people like Hall or Orin Patu that others WILL offer, but haven't yet. If we can get one of those guys to bite, then we aren't left holding the bag at the end of the cycle. Concentrate on where fish are more likely to bite and I think we will get somewhere.

Right now we are in the 'yelling at the water' phase of fishing.

First, I disagree on how you fix poor salesmanship, you don't solve the problem by shooting layups, you do it by getting used to rejection by swinging at every damn fish that moves. Did they tell you "No"? Great, now you only need to hear "no" ten more times before they tell you "yes". I would have gone with a different gif but I wanted to keep it relevant for Dennis' ABC.



Second, I really still have trouble separating out all of the different fictions vs. truths around DDY. Gay? In a wheelchair? From a car crash? Founding member of Styx? Living in a mansion in the South? I guess I should have gone to a better school.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

vadawg said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

dnc said:

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

dnc said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Ice_Holmvik said:

My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.

Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.

If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.

You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.

I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.

I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.

Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.

They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.

Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:

YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.

So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.

Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.

But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?

None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!

On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.

How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?

Fucking show me.

So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.

I'm sure if I went to Princeton I would think there is some easy or obvious solution, but because I didn't, I understand the world is complex and there's no easy fixes.

What do you do when someone has trouble selling, but you can't get rid of him because he's too valuable?

One thing I might try and do is get an out-of-state win for K to get his confidence going. When you are on a losing streak you get weird. Everyone does. I think this strategy is going to generate a lot of 'thanks but no thanks'es and I don't think that's good for anyone.

I might shift the focus massively to in-region eval and get some offers out to people like Hall or Orin Patu that others WILL offer, but haven't yet. If we can get one of those guys to bite, then we aren't left holding the bag at the end of the cycle. Concentrate on where fish are more likely to bite and I think we will get somewhere.

Right now we are in the 'yelling at the water' phase of fishing.

First, I disagree on how you fix poor salesmanship, you don't solve the problem by shooting layups, you do it by getting used to rejection by swinging at every damn fish that moves. Did they tell you "No"? Great, now you only need to hear "no" ten more times before they tell you "yes". I would have gone with a different gif but I wanted to keep it relevant for Dennis' ABC.



Second, I really still have trouble separating out all of the different fictions vs. truths around DDY. Gay? In a wheelchair? From a car crash? Founding member of Styx? Living in a mansion in the South? I guess I should have gone to a better school.

elord821 said:

Tequilla said:

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

Ice_Holmvik said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Their strategy is "there are lots of guys there, let's follow them and ask them if they want an offer. If they act interested and are a top 300 guy, offer" - that's it.

With 66 total offers? Compare that to 284 Oregon offers. I understand you are pissed because we have been shit recruiting bucks previously but there is not a chance in hell a Petersen led staff is just throwing out offers to see if one sticks to the wall. They have a plan and they don't offer just to offer. It goes against Pete's whole recruiting philosophy. And....@spirithorse so I can get a chin up in here!

THAT ATL KID IS NEVER COMING HERE, it is an absolutely pointless offer and it’s not the only ducking one.

WE CANT OFFER ELITE KIDS IN STATE BUT WE CAN OFFER SOME KID FROM ATL THAT WE HAVE NO FUCKING SHOT AT.

Congrats they offer not many guys! Woopity doo!

Is there an ELITE BUCK prospect IN STATE that we haven’t offered?

Is there an ELITE BUCK prospect in the P12 recruiting foot print that we haven’t offered?

Mase Funa, Isaac Townsend, Lolani Langi, Tausili Fiatoa, Treven Ma'ae, Troy Fautanu, Drake Jackson, Seth Robinson, Tuia Tupuola, Justus Legg

Not exactly elite, but worth a look. Out of all of these, I like Townsend and Jackson the most. Funa is a lost cause, since he went to Oregon.