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Mataio Soli, 2019 4* DE, Douglasville (Douglas County HS), GA (Offered)
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So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.dnc said:
I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.dnc said:
If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.Ice_Holmvik said:My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.
You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.
I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.
Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:
YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.
So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.
Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.
But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?
None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!
On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.
How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?
Fucking show me. -
There is no possible way anyone in this shithole went to Princeton or Yale.vadawg said:
So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.dnc said:
I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.dnc said:
If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.Ice_Holmvik said:My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.
You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.
I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.
Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:
YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.
So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.
Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.
But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?
None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!
On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.
How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?
Fucking show me. -
I'm sure if I went to Princeton I would think there is some easy or obvious solution, but because I didn't, I understand the world is complex and there's no easy fixes.vadawg said:
So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.dnc said:
I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.dnc said:
If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.Ice_Holmvik said:My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.
You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.
I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.
Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:
YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.
So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.
Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.
But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?
None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!
On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.
How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?
Fucking show me.
What do you do when someone has trouble selling, but you can't get rid of him because he's too valuable?
One thing I might try and do is get an out-of-state win for K to get his confidence going. When you are on a losing streak you get weird. Everyone does. I think this strategy is going to generate a lot of 'thanks but no thanks'es and I don't think that's good for anyone.
I might shift the focus massively to in-region eval and get some offers out to people like Hall or Orin Patu that others WILL offer, but haven't yet. If we can get one of those guys to bite, then we aren't left holding the bag at the end of the cycle. Concentrate on where fish are more likely to bite and I think we will get somewhere.
Right now we are in the 'yelling at the water' phase of fishing. -
Yale I agree. Stanford? No fucking way. But Princeton lets anyone in.Swaye said:
There is no possible way anyone in this shithole went to Princeton or Yale.vadawg said:
So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.dnc said:
I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.dnc said:
If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.Ice_Holmvik said:My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.
You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.
I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.
Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:
YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.
So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.
Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.
But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?
None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!
On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.
How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?
Fucking show me. -
They let Jeff Bezos in. It's a school for losers.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Yale I agree. Stanford? No fucking way. But Princeton lets anyone in.Swaye said:
There is no possible way anyone in this shithole went to Princeton or Yale.vadawg said:
So, what’s the solution? I went to Princeton, not Yale so...I’m clueless.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Maybe you misunderstand what I meant by desperate. It couldn't possibly be that I didn't communicate it correctly.dnc said:
I'm fine with this take. I #TrustTheCoaches so I assume there is solid reasoning to it, but it doesn't make any sense to me on it's face either. I just don't think there's any reason to think it's desperate when we're still among the least offers extended and at the top of "percentage of offers extended that have been accepted". It's weird as fuck, but not close to desperate.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I don’t think any of the kids that we haven’t offered in state are locks to take our offer, it’s gonna be a battle for those kids.dnc said:
If they were desperate they'd be offering the in state kids that will clearly take the offer if they extend it.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Nah. They are desperate and think think casting a wide net, something's bound to work.Ice_Holmvik said:My guess is the staff believes they are in the process of building a national brand similar to Oregon. Having Adidas as an ally and playing in Atlanta next year will help further that exposure. I think they are trying to establish UW as a program that can take a few kids from the South every year or two the way Oregon can. It might be wasted effort for the now but Pete plays the long game and I think this is part of his plan.
You can disagree with the strategery all day long but desperate's got nothing to do with it.
I don’t think it’s desperate either, I think it’s a ridiculous strategy that they are employing and makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
They are desperate to get a 'big time BUCK' prospect. So, they are throwing out offers and following a bunch of kids we have no shot at in the 'ugly guy propositioning every 10 in the club' kind of way.
Given Coach K's results, why is it the default to assume there is a good strategy? His recruiting here has produced this:
YEAR 1: Nobody.
YEAR 2: Benning (in-state kid, Choate was lead recruiter on, brother went to UW), Jusstis Warren (in-state late offer, no competition), Bryce Sterk (in-state, late offer, no competition), Myles Rice (out-of-state, injured all senior year, no competition).
YEAR 3: Amandre (in-state, minimal competition)
YEAR 4: Joe Tryon (in-state, late offer, some competition, but he always wanted to go to UW)
YEAR 5: Nobody.
So, why the fuck would we think he has a strategy? I don't understand why the default is that he is a good recruiter and knows what he's doing. FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF EVIDENCE shows he is clueless.
Why is it so hard to get people here to hold attitudes that are more nuanced than 'I like this guy/I hate this guy'. I fucking love Coach K. As a guy. As a coach. He is awesome. I do not want him fired. But RYAN BOWMAN is our back up BUCK.
But WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE IS THERE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING IN RECRUITING!?!?
None. He's gotten blown out for every good BUCK prospect we've been in on. Last year we offered tons of Texas and Southern BUCK kids. ONE KID WENT TO FUCKING LA TECH!!!
On this fucking bored of all places why do we have to take as the default that the coaches know what they're doing.
How about when they get some pelts on the wall, then we trust them?
Fucking show me. -
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Jan-May Dennis really is the best Dennis.RaceBannon said:
For @Dennis_DeYoung . I admire the persistence. Reminds me of old me at doogman -
Yep and i want to improve my game so I can pull 10 everyDennis_DeYoung said:
I don't want 1/3 of the staff gone you fucking idiot. I want them to learn how to fucking recruit.WeakarmCobra said:
you know it’s speacial when DDY wants 1/3 of the staff goneDennis_DeYoung said:
66 total offers doesn't mean shit. How are we offering BUCKs vs. other positions? Also, we make kids ask for the offer, so the another important metric is who we are following on twitter that is a top 300 kid. It doesn't take a genius to see we are much more indiscriminate with BUCKs than we are at other positions.Ice_Holmvik said:
With 66 total offers? Compare that to 284 Oregon offers. I understand you are pissed because we have been shit recruiting bucks previously but there is not a chance in hell a Petersen led staff is just throwing out offers to see if one sticks to the wall. They have a plan and they don't offer just to offer. It goes against Pete's whole recruiting philosophy. And....@spirithorse so I can get a chin up in here!Dennis_DeYoung said:Their strategy is "there are lots of guys there, let's follow them and ask them if they want an offer. If they act interested and are a top 300 guy, offer" - that's it.
Right now we have about 15 offers out to BUCK/SAMs. Of those, we have 1 guy that might be a realistic target at this point (Trice). The others are just spray and pray guys who we either SHOULD be in on and aren't (I think of this as anyone good in our region; Thibodeaux, McCoy, Latu, Pakola, Robinson, Floyd, etc.) and guys we shouldn't be in on and aren't (Top 300 guys out of region; Hicks, Mowry, Soli, Ellison, Isumun-Handley, etc.) - you know how many to OL? 9.
You guys are fucking awful at this.
But, as I said - our 'novel strategy' is to follow guys and ask if they are serious before we offer. So, the real action is in the follows, because where Oregon would offer, we just insert another step in. Want to know Coach K's follows since signing day? (YES I TRACK THESE THINGS FUCK YOU)
Out of Region (this is nowhere in the footprint of the Pac-12): 31 Follows of OLB/BUCKs
In Region (Pac-12 footprint): 17 follows
In many cases we have offered after a kid already had offers from Bama/LSU/UGA, etc type offers. We have been all over Marcus Hicks and he didn't visit us this spring. Although he visited Ohio State, Michigan, etc.
So, by whatever metric you'd like... Coach K is spending a lot of time trying to get blood from a stone out-of-region. He's in TX right now. If he signs a BUCK out of Texas that has another good offer, I will roll my wheelchair off a dock into Lake Washington. It will never happen.
The #1 premise of this bored is (should be) 'we don't trust the coaches'.
I prefer to think about my trust in their recruiting as akin to levels like the coaches hot seat web site does:
1. HOT SEAT (Paopao, Kwat, Gregory)
2. EDGE OF HOT SEAT (Boner, Harris)
3. SAFE FOR NOW (Bush, Lubick, Huff, Malloe, Lake)
What else would it be? This is human performance. It fluctuates. You think your boss is like 'oh, PGOS is doing great. I won't check back in on her for 20 years and now everything she does is genius'? FUCK NO. My top level is 'safe for now'.
I guess race has forgotten more about being hysterical than DDY will ever learnRaceBannon said:
For @Dennis_DeYoung . I admire the persistence. Reminds me of old me at doogman -
Great post fuckbag.WeakarmCobra said:
Yep and i want to improve my game so I can pull 10 everyDennis_DeYoung said:
I don't want 1/3 of the staff gone you fucking idiot. I want them to learn how to fucking recruit.WeakarmCobra said:
you know it’s speacial when DDY wants 1/3 of the staff goneDennis_DeYoung said:
66 total offers doesn't mean shit. How are we offering BUCKs vs. other positions? Also, we make kids ask for the offer, so the another important metric is who we are following on twitter that is a top 300 kid. It doesn't take a genius to see we are much more indiscriminate with BUCKs than we are at other positions.Ice_Holmvik said:
With 66 total offers? Compare that to 284 Oregon offers. I understand you are pissed because we have been shit recruiting bucks previously but there is not a chance in hell a Petersen led staff is just throwing out offers to see if one sticks to the wall. They have a plan and they don't offer just to offer. It goes against Pete's whole recruiting philosophy. And....@spirithorse so I can get a chin up in here!Dennis_DeYoung said:Their strategy is "there are lots of guys there, let's follow them and ask them if they want an offer. If they act interested and are a top 300 guy, offer" - that's it.
Right now we have about 15 offers out to BUCK/SAMs. Of those, we have 1 guy that might be a realistic target at this point (Trice). The others are just spray and pray guys who we either SHOULD be in on and aren't (I think of this as anyone good in our region; Thibodeaux, McCoy, Latu, Pakola, Robinson, Floyd, etc.) and guys we shouldn't be in on and aren't (Top 300 guys out of region; Hicks, Mowry, Soli, Ellison, Isumun-Handley, etc.) - you know how many to OL? 9.
You guys are fucking awful at this.
But, as I said - our 'novel strategy' is to follow guys and ask if they are serious before we offer. So, the real action is in the follows, because where Oregon would offer, we just insert another step in. Want to know Coach K's follows since signing day? (YES I TRACK THESE THINGS FUCK YOU)
Out of Region (this is nowhere in the footprint of the Pac-12): 31 Follows of OLB/BUCKs
In Region (Pac-12 footprint): 17 follows
In many cases we have offered after a kid already had offers from Bama/LSU/UGA, etc type offers. We have been all over Marcus Hicks and he didn't visit us this spring. Although he visited Ohio State, Michigan, etc.
So, by whatever metric you'd like... Coach K is spending a lot of time trying to get blood from a stone out-of-region. He's in TX right now. If he signs a BUCK out of Texas that has another good offer, I will roll my wheelchair off a dock into Lake Washington. It will never happen.
The #1 premise of this bored is (should be) 'we don't trust the coaches'.
I prefer to think about my trust in their recruiting as akin to levels like the coaches hot seat web site does:
1. HOT SEAT (Paopao, Kwat, Gregory)
2. EDGE OF HOT SEAT (Boner, Harris)
3. SAFE FOR NOW (Bush, Lubick, Huff, Malloe, Lake)
What else would it be? This is human performance. It fluctuates. You think your boss is like 'oh, PGOS is doing great. I won't check back in on her for 20 years and now everything she does is genius'? FUCK NO. My top level is 'safe for now'.
I guess race has forgotten more about being hysterical than DDY will ever learnRaceBannon said:
For @Dennis_DeYoung . I admire the persistence. Reminds me of old me at doogman
