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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    Osborne was actually who I meant when I put McCartney in honorable mention as a white coach who went to the fast side to win a title. Osborne is the poster boy for that

    He could go 11-2 in his sleep with roided out white boys but he had to go fast strategy to beat the Florida schools and Oklahoma

    He doesn't make the mount because he just did it at the end like our own Don James

    That, and he choked in big games like no other elite coach I can think of off the top of my head. PLUS, his all-time teem cemented their legacy against a soft as fuck Florida defense. That was the game that got Bob Stoops to Florida, when dummy finally realized that you can't out-score everyone. The Gayters had a few good years on the D side of the ball there while Bob was in Gaynesville.

    I want to see that '95 team go up against a '91 Washington/'86 Miami/'94 FSU - type defense. Speshul ones that had the speed to go sideline to sideline with anyone, and also punch anyone right in the fucking mouth for trying to go right at them. You take away the I back option from Nebraska, or even slow it down, and you have essentially sent them home, even with Tommie Frazier, who did it better than anyone I've ever seen do it. Nobody was playing D at that level in '95 that I recall.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,233 Founders Club

    Osborne was actually who I meant when I put McCartney in honorable mention as a white coach who went to the fast side to win a title. Osborne is the poster boy for that

    He could go 11-2 in his sleep with roided out white boys but he had to go fast strategy to beat the Florida schools and Oklahoma

    He doesn't make the mount because he just did it at the end like our own Don James

    That, and he choked in big games like no other elite coach I can think of off the top of my head. PLUS, his all-time teem cemented their legacy against a soft as fuck Florida defense. That was the game that got Bob Stoops to Florida, when dummy finally realized that you can't out-score everyone. The Gayters had a few good years on the D side of the ball there while Bob was in Gaynesville.

    I want to see that '95 team go up against a '91 Washington/'86 Miami/'94 FSU - type defense. Speshul ones that had the speed to go sideline to sideline with anyone, and also punch anyone right in the fucking mouth for trying to go right at them. You take away the I back option from Nebraska, or even slow it down, and you have essentially sent them home, even with Tommie Frazier, who did it better than anyone I've ever seen do it. Nobody was playing D at that level in '95 that I recall.
    It would be chinteresting no doubt, but it wasn't like the '95 NEB team just beat Florida. They fucking donkey punched them by like 40 pts.

    3 x 12-0 seasons in 4 years is as good as coaching gets. And he finally got his win over the Canes in Miami.

    Pete needs to become classy AF fast strategy.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    The dearth of non white head coaches in college football requires cultural appropriation white head coaches who coach fast strategy Black players better than the rest. Why this is needed is a discussion for another time. This post will deal with the reality we face.

    The white fast strategy coach is like a Black coach in that he is known as a "great recruiter" who "rolls the ball out and lets them play". Maybe not a great Xs and Os coach but relates to the kids and is a players coach. Often know for swaggy behavior that is embarrassing to adults but the kids really like it.

    You have your fast strategy white coaches who can't seem to win anything like Lane Kiffin or Rick Neuheisel but getting mentioned by Lil Wayne should at least get Kiffin honorable mention. Kliff Klingsbury is on the hot seat.

    Who is on Mount Rushmore?

    Jimmy Johnson

    The GOAT. He finished the work that Schnellenberger started in turning a sleepy white Miami University into the center of hip hop, recruiting violations, and championship football by recruiting anyone that could play regardless of academics or criminal record with a promise of a fast track to the NFL. He enjoyed beating the blue bloods and the whitest of the white Notre Dame got his particular scorn.

    Barry Switzer

    Barry is second because Jimmy beat him like a rented mule. Not many others could say the same. Barry took over OU when Chuck Fairbanks left to Colorado and Barry ended up hanging 84 on old Chuck. Barry took all the best players from under Darryl Royal's nose and beat him with them. Barry knew Sooner fans wanted national titles or else and coached and recruited accordingly. He played Black quarterbacks earlier than most.

    Bobby Bowden

    Bobby said he made it a point to never drive past the players parking lot. Bobby knew he had to beat Miami. Bobby turned FSU into Miami.

    John McKay

    People forget that McKay started a Black QB in the 60's as well as a double murderer Heisman winner.


    Bill McCartney, Don James, and others were among those solid white coaches who went fast strategy late to get an elusive National Title. Chris Petersen may be the next one

    Dont even know where you were going with this race. Sorry but for lack of a better word this is stupid.

    Hey I'm race I watched college football back in the day like Pup and 2, but what are u fucking talking about?
    BTW, Rick won a rose bowl. This program really needed one. Kiffin doesnt belong in same sentence. The legends you speak of were great coaches but just ain't seeing point of post...but what a new?
    Pup's right about the Weasel. He was as Fast Strat as ya get.

    If you need any more cross references, I'd start here.



    http://www.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/victoryandruins/
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    Osborne was actually who I meant when I put McCartney in honorable mention as a white coach who went to the fast side to win a title. Osborne is the poster boy for that

    He could go 11-2 in his sleep with roided out white boys but he had to go fast strategy to beat the Florida schools and Oklahoma

    He doesn't make the mount because he just did it at the end like our own Don James

    That, and he choked in big games like no other elite coach I can think of off the top of my head. PLUS, his all-time teem cemented their legacy against a soft as fuck Florida defense. That was the game that got Bob Stoops to Florida, when dummy finally realized that you can't out-score everyone. The Gayters had a few good years on the D side of the ball there while Bob was in Gaynesville.

    I want to see that '95 team go up against a '91 Washington/'86 Miami/'94 FSU - type defense. Speshul ones that had the speed to go sideline to sideline with anyone, and also punch anyone right in the fucking mouth for trying to go right at them. You take away the I back option from Nebraska, or even slow it down, and you have essentially sent them home, even with Tommie Frazier, who did it better than anyone I've ever seen do it. Nobody was playing D at that level in '95 that I recall.
    It would be chinteresting no doubt, but it wasn't like the '95 NEB team just beat Florida. They fucking donkey punched them by like 40 pts.

    3 x 12-0 seasons in 4 years is as good as coaching gets. And he finally got his win over the Canes in Miami.

    Pete needs to become classy AF fast strategy.
    Barely. Miami had no O line in '94. If they were that great they would have punched in a little moar.

    You will find me to be quite begrudging of Nebraska. Almost, but not quite, irrationally so.

    Fuck those guysm.

    Yes, I know. It's easy to donkey punch a team that shows up without a defense.

    I note that my kewgs gave that '95 team a little bit of a fight. kinda sorta.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,798 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    The dearth of non white head coaches in college football requires cultural appropriation white head coaches who coach fast strategy Black players better than the rest. Why this is needed is a discussion for another time. This post will deal with the reality we face.

    The white fast strategy coach is like a Black coach in that he is known as a "great recruiter" who "rolls the ball out and lets them play". Maybe not a great Xs and Os coach but relates to the kids and is a players coach. Often know for swaggy behavior that is embarrassing to adults but the kids really like it.

    You have your fast strategy white coaches who can't seem to win anything like Lane Kiffin or Rick Neuheisel but getting mentioned by Lil Wayne should at least get Kiffin honorable mention. Kliff Klingsbury is on the hot seat.

    Who is on Mount Rushmore?

    Jimmy Johnson

    The GOAT. He finished the work that Schnellenberger started in turning a sleepy white Miami University into the center of hip hop, recruiting violations, and championship football by recruiting anyone that could play regardless of academics or criminal record with a promise of a fast track to the NFL. He enjoyed beating the blue bloods and the whitest of the white Notre Dame got his particular scorn.

    Barry Switzer

    Barry is second because Jimmy beat him like a rented mule. Not many others could say the same. Barry took over OU when Chuck Fairbanks left to Colorado and Barry ended up hanging 84 on old Chuck. Barry took all the best players from under Darryl Royal's nose and beat him with them. Barry knew Sooner fans wanted national titles or else and coached and recruited accordingly. He played Black quarterbacks earlier than most.

    Bobby Bowden

    Bobby said he made it a point to never drive past the players parking lot. Bobby knew he had to beat Miami. Bobby turned FSU into Miami.

    John McKay

    People forget that McKay started a Black QB in the 60's as well as a double murderer Heisman winner.


    Bill McCartney, Don James, and others were among those solid white coaches who went fast strategy late to get an elusive National Title. Chris Petersen may be the next one

    Dont even know where you were going with this race. Sorry but for lack of a better word this is stupid.

    Hey I'm race I watched college football back in the day like Pup and 2, but what are u fucking talking about?
    BTW, Rick won a rose bowl. This program really needed one. Kiffin doesnt belong in same sentence. The legends you speak of were great coaches but just ain't seeing point of post...but what a new?
    Pup's right about the Weasel. He was as Fast Strat as ya get.

    If you need any more cross references, I'd start here.



    http://www.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/victoryandruins/
    Rick made the opening paragraph for the Rose Bowl but his body of work really kind of sucked
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Classics thread.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,233 Founders Club
    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    Notre Dame is fucked because they have a bumbling mid-west aww shucks guy in charge.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    10 years ago ... at least.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,798 Founders Club

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    Notre Dame should be sand blasted off but not so those fucking frauds at Michigan can replace them

    I'll stick with the first three. Miami gets real SERIOUS consideration for that last 35 years. FSU too. It looks like a Florida school could replace them

    USC is on the clock too by the way. Pete Carroll saved them for now

    One thing SC, OSU, and Bama have going is 10 decades of winning.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,233 Founders Club

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    10 years ago ... at least.
    Yeah, the Catholics one once against the Convicts in the 80's but Miami still pretty much killed off Notre Dame football for all intents and purposes.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    BC in 1993 killed off ND more than anything, although 3rd and 43 against Miami in '89 must have stung.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    Gladstone said:

    BC in 1993 killed off ND more than anything, although 3rd and 43 against Miami in '89 must have stung.

    I just came.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    Notre Dame should be sand blasted off but not so those fucking frauds at Michigan can replace them

    I'll stick with the first three. Miami gets real SERIOUS consideration for that last 35 years. FSU too. It looks like a Florida school could replace them

    USC is on the clock too by the way. Pete Carroll saved them for now

    One thing SC, OSU, and Bama have going is 10 decades of winning.
    We will all be dust before the shine of the current Bama run fades. Fucking ridiculous what Saban has done there.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,233 Founders Club
    edited April 2018
    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    If Urbs won a Natty for the Catholics, then he is GOAT in the modern era, even if Saban retired with more overall.

    And furthermore Saban's .5 LSU title is kind of bullshit. USC would have boat raced them in 2003.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    edited April 2018
    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.

    If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,059 Founders Club

    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.

    If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that.
    I don't think anyone on this bored wants to see Meyer at Catholic U.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419

    Gladstone said:

    So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.

    Notre Dame is fucked because they have a bumbling mid-west aww shucks guy in charge.
    Brian Kelly is a shit coach and many other things, but I've never seen him described as a bumbling 'aww shucks' guy. In fact I think that's the polar opposite of what he is.


    No. He is the opposite of bumbling. I thought he was going to bust a valve at Cincy. Dood is fucking intense.

    I've actually been somewhat surprised that he his stint at ND hasn't gone a little better than it has. I suppose they had the 2013 BCS, and there's no shame in losing to Bamers, but still. ND has a lot of built-in advantages for the right coach to exploit.

    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.

    If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that.
    Excellent points. Lou Holtz got ND to agree to the Prop 48 which directly lead to players like Zorich and Tony Rice (indirectly leading to the MNC). Players who never in a million years would have qualified for ND football scholarship admissions. ND famously dropped their support for Prop 48 and forced Lou out in the 90s (Lou himself says BC '93 broke his heart so much that it took him years to recover).

    Like any other tier 1 school, ND is always a coach away. There were tons of narratives in the mid 2000s that population shifts in the midwest had made Big Ten prestige untenable. Enter Urban at OSU. Oops. I also am surprised Kelly hasn't had much success:

    8-5
    8-5
    12-1
    9-4
    8-5
    10-3
    4-8
    10-3

    3 ten win seasons in 8 years. 5-3 against SC. 2-1 against scUM. You can argue at least one of the 10-3 seasons as disappointing considering they started hot, flew into the top 5, and then got blown out late in the year.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    If He did that......


    Da GOAT and I don't care if Saban wins 9 more.

    It's HAF to win nattys at 2 diff schools like those 2 have.

    But to do it at 3 different schools????
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer both got it.

    In America - not to get too weird - there is a "seemingly" massive distinction between being poor white trash and a "ghetto" black kid.

    The truth is, fast strategy people have a lot of the same priorities and ideas - even though in the US we don't share the same culture across 'race' lines.

    However, the smart coaches that saw beyond that shit were like, 'wait, I completely relate to these kids'. If you watch Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer at their height it was the same thing.

    They instinctively knew the shit that would hit home, once they translated it from one cultural context to another.

    That's the reason Dabo hits. Because he has that instinct. He knows. He's a FS fucker and he gets the core aspects to those kids.

    Tom Osborne, Pete, DJ, etc - they have a hard time, so it's easy for them to get a bunch of criminals, because to them, all FS kids seem the same. 'I don't know, I guess they all are drug dealing gun-runners. Fine, I want to win. Beating women is a cultural difference, I guess!'

    But, Coaches like Johnson really got it. 'We are the underdogs that NOGAF about. No one did our homework for us or petitioned our fucking teachers when we got an 88.5 so we could stretch that to an A' - that's all white people shit.

    They get that.

    If Pete could grasp that, we would be the best program in the history of the Pac-12.

    The only other choice is to be so fucking competitive you don't GAF (Saban) about anything other than winning, or just a good coach at USC which is the easiest job in the history of college football (Carroll).

    You were nails and POTW material before you went all fucking doog with the next to last paragraph in your sentence.


    You guys could certainly win a Natty at some time. But you don't have the infrastructure nor the sizzle to make a 2000's SC run. Not without Pilfering the likes of a Meyer or Saban anyway.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    salemcoog said:

    Gladstone said:

    Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?

    If He did that......


    Da GOAT and I don't care if Saban wins 9 more.

    It's HAF to win nattys at 2 diff schools like those . have.

    But to do it at 3 different schools????

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,798 Founders Club
    Southern poor whites and blacks are both country like Jimmy and Barry were. It works