Toll City
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Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
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I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that they have a budget shortfall so this is their clever plan to hide behind the "reduce congestion and greenhouse gasses" stuff and rake in the money.
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Would be nice if Port orchard did the same. Traffic was awful there 25 years ago and isn't any better now. They should put a toll on the new Tremont road work.DerekJohnson said:I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that they have a budget shortfall so this is their clever plan to hide behind the "reduce congestion and greenhouse gasses" stuff and rake in the money.
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All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
And after destroying so much to build it, they still fucked it up. That, in a nutshell, is how government works.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
Fuck all governments. They are the worst of necessary evils.Swaye said:
And after destroying so much to build it, they still fucked it up. That, in a nutshell, is how government works.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money
We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it -
Turns out it’s a great urban camping site for those who don’t have the ability to camp elsewhere.2001400ex said:
That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
Same thing more recently up in Sequim. All the pro business nutcases said the bypass would kill the downtown. But reality is, downtown is better than ever and there's been a shit ton of jobs added from new businesses and expansion of existing business there.RaceBannon said:The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money
We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it
Too many people think about route 66 and forget it went through shitholes like Oklahoma and the middle of nowhere in New Mexico and Arizona. -
It's funny that it was never the modern freeway that these brick and mortals should have been worried about. They should have been worried about the technological freeway that spawned Amazon.2001400ex said:
Same thing more recently up in Sequim. All the pro business nutcases said the bypass would kill the downtown. But reality is, downtown is better than ever and there's been a shit ton of jobs added from new businesses and expansion of existing business there.RaceBannon said:The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money
We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it
Too many people think about route 66 and forget it went through shitholes like Oklahoma and the middle of nowhere in New Mexico and Arizona. -
Should have built the RH Thompson Freeway
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I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.
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Trains are okay because non-poor people will take them.
Buses became a symbol of the ghetto folk for too long to change. -
But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.
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No one wants to live in Seattle. It’s too crowded and expensive.salemcoog said:
But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.
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Mooooooooove!salemcoog said:
But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.
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What about a Starbucks fleet of busses earmarked for the high tech industryPitchfork51 said:Trains are okay because non-poor people will take them.
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Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
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You are a planner?Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
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No I'm not a traffic planner. But I'm sure you are.
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You are sure? You sound like a public employee.Sledog said:No I'm not a traffic planner. But I'm sure you are.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Seattle’s new downtown traffic plan? Give it up like the little bitch you are.
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If Seattle is planning it it'll be fucked. If you planned it it'll fall into the sound.CirrhosisDawg said:
You are sure? You sound like a public employee.Sledog said:No I'm not a traffic planner. But I'm sure you are.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Seattle’s new downtown traffic plan? Give it up like the little bitch you are. -
Bridge club? Just how white are you Race?RaceBannon said:The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money
We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it -
You sound like the awkward little brother trying to sound cool at the big kid party.Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
Just shut the fuck up already. You've had your cock in your mouth all day. -
You sound like the little dwebe in thick glasses telling fantasies to the math club but without the smarts.creepycoug said:
You sound like the awkward little brother trying to sound cool at the big kid party.Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
Just shut the fuck up already. You've had your cock in your mouth all day. -
You just proved his point, dumbfuck. You should go die instead of typing another response.Sledog said:
You sound like the little dwebe in thick glasses telling fantasies to the math club but without the smarts.creepycoug said:
You sound like the awkward little brother trying to sound cool at the big kid party.Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
Just shut the fuck up already. You've had your cock in your mouth all day. -
I'm going to step aside here for a beat and let you continue to do my work for me.Sledog said:
You sound like the little dwebe in thick glasses telling fantasies to the math club but without the smarts.creepycoug said:
You sound like the awkward little brother trying to sound cool at the big kid party.Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
Just shut the fuck up already. You've had your cock in your mouth all day.
Thanks in advance.
#icantspelldweeb
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Try these but doubtful they'll help you.creepycoug said:
I'm going to step aside here for a beat and let you continue to do my work for me.Sledog said:
You sound like the little dwebe in thick glasses telling fantasies to the math club but without the smarts.creepycoug said:
You sound like the awkward little brother trying to sound cool at the big kid party.Sledog said:Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
Just shut the fuck up already. You've had your cock in your mouth all day.
Thanks in advance.
#icantspelldweeb
#thisdamnphone!
