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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Not remotely related and you know it. Stop spinning.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    edited February 2018

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    Nothing is getting built yet.
    Exactly. Feds exist to redistribute from productive states to taker states solely for wasteful consumption. The idea that we are funding “capital investment” is absurd, but consistent with the times.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,028
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The 'black man' (your words, not mine -ISAFNRC) didn't get any shit built.

    Trump still has a chance to get some 'shovel-ready projects' completed.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,747 Founders Club
    Deficits don't matter until they do. We've never reached that point in our modern but to act like it can't happen is beyond FS. We only get to borrow on the cheap because the rest of the world still believes in the full faith and credit of the US Government. If that changes we fuct biggy.

    We have a fundamental problem in this country in that we want way more in benefits than we are willing to pay for them. And it's not just the fault of 'po people sucking off the guvmint tittays.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,695 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,218 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,218 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
    The first back President was Bill Clinton. Race voted for him. I did not.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    A little misleading. Reagan did not have control of congress, he did what he could under those circumstances. He cared about deficits and was regretful for bargaining with the dems to get his tax cuts passed in exchange for allowing them to tie tax cuts to spending increases that outpaced the increase in revenues realized by the tax cuts. If he had control of congress, there would have been real spending cuts in lieu of tax code changes to "broaden the base".
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,218 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    A little misleading. Reagan did not have control of congress, he did what he could under those circumstances. He cared about deficits and was regretful for bargaining with the dems to get his tax cuts passed in exchange for allowing them to tie tax cuts to spending increases that outpaced the increase in revenues realized by the tax cuts. If he had control of congress, there would have been real spending cuts in lieu of tax code changes to "broaden the base".
    Some valid points here; but it was never a realistic possibility that Reagan would have both the house and senate and therefore get his spending cuts. He was a pragmatist and did the responsible thing and agreed to increased revenues.

    The leadership of both parties have become morally and ethically bankrupt on this issue; there's no reason to be running $1 trillion dollar deficits in peacetime and with 3% a year growth.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    People forget Clinton raised taxes so much he lost control of Congress. And the economy flourished.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,432 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    People forget Clinton raised taxes so much he lost control of Congress. And the economy flourished.
    Simply amazing how much fucking stupid can be compacted into just 16 words.


  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,028

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
    The first back President was Bill Clinton. Race voted for him. I did not.
    Jefferson was the first black president. Gots to have a little something something on the side in the form of brown sugar.

    Bill Clinton just liked huge asses.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,218 Founders Club

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
    The first back President was Bill Clinton. Race voted for him. I did not.
    Jefferson was the first black president. Gots to have a little something something on the side in the form of brown sugar.

    Bill Clinton just liked huge asses.

    Sally Hemmings was about as #lighskinnedU as is gets though.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,028

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
    The first back President was Bill Clinton. Race voted for him. I did not.
    Jefferson was the first black president. Gots to have a little something something on the side in the form of brown sugar.

    Bill Clinton just liked huge asses.

    Sally Hemmings was about as #lighskinnedU as is gets though.


    Jalessa was always hating on Whitley and Denise. Not cool. Not cool at all.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    People forget Clinton raised taxes so much he lost control of Congress. And the economy flourished.
    Simply amazing how much fucking stupid can be compacted into just 16 words.


    Please to be hearing how what I said is wrong.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,695 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    whlinder said:

    Yes. It’s beyond fucking stupid to increase borrowing and rack up debt when the economy is in decent shape.

    Not necessarily.

    If he's talking about true infrastructure improvements and capital budgets, it's pretty fucking smart to bond out and rebuild with cheap money. Bridges are crumbling and roads are shit. The interweb is nowhere near where it could be in most communities without paying godawful amounts, relative to other places in the world.

    If there's one thing 'Mericans are good at it, it's finance and shit. Build shit with cheap money. Bond it out while the repayment source looks solid.

    Just because the economy is good right now doesn't mean the U.S. can put off deferred maintenance much longer. Plus the jobs created could be the impetus some fucks need to get off the dole. I like that Trump is prioritizing build shit. Because that's how shit gets built.
    It's funny the perspective of the Obama stimulus versus Trump's infrastructure plan. When they basically are the same thing.
    They are establishment plans that don't work. Thankfully we have you here sucking the dick of the Establishment Queen.


    #aclockworkshill
    So you'll scream as loudly when Trump does his infrastructure plan as you did when the black man was in office?
    The black man didn't have a plan. Of course you forget he's half white. Normally scorned and belittled by other blacks. Unless it's a convenient way to say he's the first black president.
    The first back President was Bill Clinton. Race voted for him. I did not.
    He liked black hookers!
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    If we're bashing light skinned black chicks I'm out
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    A little misleading. Reagan did not have control of congress, he did what he could under those circumstances. He cared about deficits and was regretful for bargaining with the dems to get his tax cuts passed in exchange for allowing them to tie tax cuts to spending increases that outpaced the increase in revenues realized by the tax cuts. If he had control of congress, there would have been real spending cuts in lieu of tax code changes to "broaden the base".
    Waiting for this logic to be applied equally.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Trump is a fiscal conservative in the Reagan mold. Reducing deficits isn't what fiscal conservatism is about.

    HTH

    Reagan did actually care about deficits and when he saw too much red ink as a result of his tax cuts and increased defense spending, he did enact changes to the tax code to "broaden the base" and increase revenues. "Read my lips" Bush 41 raised revenue as well and it didn't hurt the economy.

    People forget Clinton raised taxes so much he lost control of Congress. And the economy flourished.
    It didn't "flourish" until welfare reform, a reduction in capital gains taxes, an increase in the death tax exemption, and a flurry of business de-regulation. These things happened after he got his ass handed to him in the 1994 mid-terms. And why did he get his ass kicked in the 1994 mid-terms? HillaryCare and tax increases, along with some other incredibly libtarded positions that pissed a lot of people off.