Treshaun Harrison Update

http://scout.com/college/football/recruiting/Article/4-star-ATH-TreShaun-Harrison-Talks-Oregon-Potential-Visits-106631759

Harrison must really not want to play RB..... no official planned to UW.... just a unofficial

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bananasnblondes

Reading the tea leaves it looks like even Oregon doesn't want him. Many expected him to visit there and recommit a couple weeks ago. That visit got cancelled. Now Willie T is slow-playing him and he's checking out schools like Tennessee and Arizona.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and bet this goes beyond "Petersen fucked up his recruitment."

animate

Pretty soon he'll stay close to home ... at Pacific Lutheran university.

purpledoogfan

He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.

Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well.

jhfstyle24

Are we just forgetting about athleticism? Yes, Sirmon has a more talented arm. If you graded QB recruit tools on a scale of 1-100, let's say Sirmon's arm enters at a 90 and Yankoff's is an 75. Obviously you want the 90 more if all your offense does is pro style passing, ignoring mental stuff. However, let's say Yankoff's run tool evaluates to an 80 and Sirmon gets a 40. Weight it for importance (arm, say, *1.5) and Sirmon=175 and Yankoff= 192.5. Obviously, this is a terrible fucking method but you get the point. Don't be a retard.

GrundleStiltzkin

Ewe must bee gnu hear

Neighbor2972

This is the same rational people have for making Josh Allen the #1 pick, which I guess is an opinion people have. But let's not pretend that "arm talent over everything" is a fact instead of an opinion. There are rational arguments for Sirmon and Yankoff

animate

If either qb has the arm strength, who's got the better brain talent?

The Brady factor.

IPukeOregonGrellow

Guy who walks onto campus a great player (i.e. Togiai, Hufanga)>Guy with 81% chance of being a great player.

dnc

This is the real question. Brain talent combined with accuracy is the formula for QB success. Elite Arm talent and elite athleticism are nice but neither are necessary to be great (as long as you have above a certain threshold). The ability to throw an accurate ball consistently and read defenses/make quick decisions is what sets the best apart from the pack.

We don't know enough about Sirmon or Yankoff to know who will excel in those areas yet, though it does appear Yankoff has the edge in accuracy at this stage. It's hard to read too much into high school stats without knowing systems/competition/etc but they at least tell you that Yankoff has steadily gotten more accurate throughout school whereas Sirmon was basically as accurate as a senior as he was as a sophomore from a completion percentage standpoint. The one highly encouraging thing is that Sirmon's ints dropped considerably over his career. The other thing is that Sirmon's yards per completion is significantly higher which would explain the lower completion rate.

One interesting thing that I didn't expect is that (at least according to Max Preps) Yankoff has thrown quite a few more passes, 839 to 670. Yankoff threw a ton more passes as a junior and senior than Sirmon did. I expected Yankoff to have a lot more carries (and he does, about 10 carries a game jr/sr and holy crap, 43 rushing td's in his hs career!), I didn't expect him to have that many more throws as well.

Again, only so much you can get from stats but they seem to back up the scouting reports - Yankoff is more athletic and accurate but his arm's not special, Sirmon has the special arm but could struggle with accuracy and won't be a threat with the legs.

Should be a fun competition to watch.

PurpleThrobber

If your arm's not accurate, it's not special.

jhfstyle24

A) I specifically noted the method I used was a heaping Ektardian pile of inaccurate shit and

I literally weighted passing as higher in said pile of shit Ektardian equation. Reading is hard

Tequilla

Browning’s accurate and a real film room junkie ... how is that working out for us against elite teams?

Brady is in a small handful of QBs to ever play the game. Expecting any QB to have his attributes is FS.

The arm talent of guys like Eason and Sirmon is special and something you can’t teach. Yes, there are a lot of “soft skills” to playing QB that go above and beyond arm talent ... but you are ALWAYS taking the arm talent everything being equal.

As for running QBs, they should only run when needed. It’s a good way to play your backup QB.

dnc

"As long as you are above a certain threshold"

hth

Unless you're suggesting Yankoff has a Browning noodle arm then Browning is not germane to this discussion.

And of course you take the better arm "everything being equal".

Everything else is never equal though.

RealRhino

No offense, Tequilla, because I like your work, but some of that doesn't quite make sense.

If "everything" else is equal, sure, you are taking arm talent. OTOH, if everything else is equal, you are taking accuracy. Or defense reading/film study. Or situational awareness. Because that "everything else" would include arm talent, just like your "everything else" would include those other attributes. So your statement has no real meaning.

I agree with Millen: throw to the right guy, at the right time, with accuracy. Most important things. None of that (maybe right time, a little) deals with "arm talent." Gotta look at the whole toolbox. I agree that arm talent helps in that you get more wiggle room, and on certain throws (e.g., WR screens) velocity can get you extra yardage.

Josh Allen has amazing arm talent, but any time Wyoming took a slight step up in competition they got smoked and he looked bad. More than velocity to playing QB. Ditto Sam Darnold against elite teams this year, even though he has above-average arm talent.

Disagree about running QBs in college. Seems like most guys get through a 12-game season healthy despite running. Besides, if you run your QB a lot, it's usually because he's not a great pro QB, which means your backup isn't as big of a dropoff.

dnc

*SWOON*

UW_Doog_Bot

I think my attitude at this point is a DDY "Fuck it, I'm not sure who will be better but I'm glad we will have talent and depth at the position to create competition."

There's just too many variables to be 100% sold on any kid as a QB. IDGF which of Eason, Sirmon, or Yankoff starts just as long as whoever does is GOOD and we can move on from having incredible defenses waisted by mediocre qb play.

UW_Doog_Bot

Also, why the fuck are we debating our qb recruits in the Harrison thread?

Oh right, offseason and Balls.

RealRhino

This is where I'm at. Too many variables. OTOH I do sort of agree with Teq that arm talent is a good baseline measurable when scouting. IOW, it's probably the one thing on film where you can draw a bright line and say everybody above the line, we keep looking, everybody below the line, fuck off. Anything above "good enough" is a bonus, like having another skill.

I think accuracy and motion/release/mechanics is close to arm talent (which I take to mean velocity and, to a lesser extent, the ability to make different kinds of throws). I think you can look at a QB on film and pass or keep looking based just on those things. And then when you've sorted by those, then you get into the intangibles.

RealRhino

BTW, the process I just described is how I think Petersen evaluates/recruits. I'm doing a lot of paraphrasing and extrapolating from his comments, but he described seeing recruits through a sort of can play/can't play prism, without degrees. IOW, (at least at first) he doesn't look at a Richard Newton and think, "He's good, I want him," and then look at an Austin Jones and think, "He's great, I really want him." Instead, in both cases, he looks and thinks, "He's good enough to succeed at this level, I want to find out more about him."

He described assistants being upset with him because they make those distinctions watching film and he doesn't. They'll be super excited to show him film of some kid they think is a super, 5-star, can't miss guy and he doesn't get as excited. He says, okay, he looks like he can play.

Swaye

Arm talent is the new big back, which was the new DE.

I hate this place in the off season.

Can we get back to making fun of the fact that all the legit school dropped TreShaun?