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Treshaun Harrison Update
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Reading the tea leaves it looks like even Oregon doesn't want him. Many expected him to visit there and recommit a couple weeks ago. That visit got cancelled. Now Willie T is slow-playing him and he's checking out schools like Tennessee and Arizona.
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Pretty soon he'll stay close to home ... at Pacific Lutheran university.
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He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon is the best 2018 recruit in the Northwest. No other position can beat a QB with NFL size and arm talent. Saying anybody in the Northwest is a better prospect than Sirmon is stupid. He plays the most important position on the field with NFL talent..dnc said:
Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well.
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Are we just forgetting about athleticism? Yes, Sirmon has a more talented arm. If you graded QB recruit tools on a scale of 1-100, let's say Sirmon's arm enters at a 90 and Yankoff's is an 75. Obviously you want the 90 more if all your offense does is pro style passing, ignoring mental stuff. However, let's say Yankoff's run tool evaluates to an 80 and Sirmon gets a 40. Weight it for importance (arm, say, *1.5) and Sirmon=175 and Yankoff= 192.5. Obviously, this is a terrible fucking method but you get the point. Don't be a retard.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon has more arm talent than Yankoff. Nobody knows how either will adjust and develop at the college level so the only way to rank them is by their physical attributes. For QB's you go with the guy with more arm talent because being able to throw the ball is more important for a QB than being able to run it. So Sirmon > Yankoff as a prospect. And again, the QB position is way more important than DT or Safety.purpledoogfan said:
He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon is the best 2018 recruit in the Northwest. No other position can beat a QB with NFL size and arm talent. Saying anybody in the Northwest is a better prospect than Sirmon is stupid. He plays the most important position on the field with NFL talent..dnc said:
Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well. -
Ewe must bee gnu hearjhfstyle24 said:
Are we just forgetting about athleticism? Yes, Sirmon has a more talented arm. If you graded QB recruit tools on a scale of 1-100, let's say Sirmon's arm enters at a 90 and Yankoff's is an 75. Obviously you want the 90 more if all your offense does is pro style passing, ignoring mental stuff. However, let's say Yankoff's run tool evaluates to an 80 and Sirmon gets a 40. Weight it for importance (arm, say, *1.5) and Sirmon=175 and Yankoff= 192.5. Obviously, this is a terrible fucking method but you get the point. Don't be a retard.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon has more arm talent than Yankoff. Nobody knows how either will adjust and develop at the college level so the only way to rank them is by their physical attributes. For QB's you go with the guy with more arm talent because being able to throw the ball is more important for a QB than being able to run it. So Sirmon > Yankoff as a prospect. And again, the QB position is way more important than DT or Safety.purpledoogfan said:
He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon is the best 2018 recruit in the Northwest. No other position can beat a QB with NFL size and arm talent. Saying anybody in the Northwest is a better prospect than Sirmon is stupid. He plays the most important position on the field with NFL talent..dnc said:
Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well. -
This is the same rational people have for making Josh Allen the #1 pick, which I guess is an opinion people have. But let's not pretend that "arm talent over everything" is a fact instead of an opinion. There are rational arguments for Sirmon and YankoffBallzDeep said:
Sirmon has more arm talent than Yankoff. Nobody knows how either will adjust and develop at the college level so the only way to rank them is by their physical attributes. For QB's you go with the guy with more arm talent because being able to throw the ball is more important for a QB than being able to run it. So Sirmon > Yankoff as a prospect. And again, the QB position is way more important than DT or Safety.purpledoogfan said:
He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon is the best 2018 recruit in the Northwest. No other position can beat a QB with NFL size and arm talent. Saying anybody in the Northwest is a better prospect than Sirmon is stupid. He plays the most important position on the field with NFL talent..dnc said:
Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well. -
If either qb has the arm strength, who's got the better brain talent?
The Brady factor. -
Guy who walks onto campus a great player (i.e. Togiai, Hufanga)>Guy with 81% chance of being a great player.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon has more arm talent than Yankoff. Nobody knows how either will adjust and develop at the college level so the only way to rank them is by their physical attributes. For QB's you go with the guy with more arm talent because being able to throw the ball is more important for a QB than being able to run it. So Sirmon > Yankoff as a prospect. And again, the QB position is way more important than DT or Safety.purpledoogfan said:
He's not even the best QB in the northwest, Yankoff is.BallzDeep said:
Sirmon is the best 2018 recruit in the Northwest. No other position can beat a QB with NFL size and arm talent. Saying anybody in the Northwest is a better prospect than Sirmon is stupid. He plays the most important position on the field with NFL talent..dnc said:
Togiai and Hufunga say fuck off as well. -
This is the real question. Brain talent combined with accuracy is the formula for QB success. Elite Arm talent and elite athleticism are nice but neither are necessary to be great (as long as you have above a certain threshold). The ability to throw an accurate ball consistently and read defenses/make quick decisions is what sets the best apart from the pack.animate said:If either qb has the arm strength, who's got the better brain talent?
The Brady factor.
We don't know enough about Sirmon or Yankoff to know who will excel in those areas yet, though it does appear Yankoff has the edge in accuracy at this stage. It's hard to read too much into high school stats without knowing systems/competition/etc but they at least tell you that Yankoff has steadily gotten more accurate throughout school whereas Sirmon was basically as accurate as a senior as he was as a sophomore from a completion percentage standpoint. The one highly encouraging thing is that Sirmon's ints dropped considerably over his career. The other thing is that Sirmon's yards per completion is significantly higher which would explain the lower completion rate.
One interesting thing that I didn't expect is that (at least according to Max Preps) Yankoff has thrown quite a few more passes, 839 to 670. Yankoff threw a ton more passes as a junior and senior than Sirmon did. I expected Yankoff to have a lot more carries (and he does, about 10 carries a game jr/sr and holy crap, 43 rushing td's in his hs career!), I didn't expect him to have that many more throws as well.
Again, only so much you can get from stats but they seem to back up the scouting reports - Yankoff is more athletic and accurate but his arm's not special, Sirmon has the special arm but could struggle with accuracy and won't be a threat with the legs.
Should be a fun competition to watch. -
If your arm's not accurate, it's not special.
