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Tyler Hilinski, dead.
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Don't worry, if I ever have kids I plan to smack them around quite a bit.RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Kids are softer now and the modern-age parenting style doesn't help at all.PurpleThrobber said:
In his dickish way, what I think OBK is trying to say is that suicide among the young is at epidemic proportions - and perhaps the way society currently views it and is combating it isn't working.jhfstyle24 said:
You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.jhfstyle24 said:
You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?jhfstyle24 said:
That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.oregonblitzkrieg said:The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.
I am not quite as old as @RaceBannon but, in my youth, I honestly do not recall ANY young person taking their own life though I know it happened very rarely. Over the course of the last couple years, I can count multiple occurrences in which acquaintances were touched by suicide.
I can empathize with the mindset of the deceased - but can't condone the act or somehow hold up the victim as heroic. You said it yourself - "there's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens". Whatever that reason may be, 'talk to someone' or "call 1-800..." doesn't work and needs examination as to why this is now a somewhat accepted method of solving one's problems. -
My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
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Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.ApostleofGrief said:My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.
Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital. -
doog fans generally want to be out by the next SaturdayFremontTroll said:
Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.ApostleofGrief said:My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.
Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital. -
This brings up another point nobody has mentioned. Other than one specific method (gun to head) suicide attempts are usually unsuccessful and second attempts after a failed attempt are extremely rare.dnc said:
The anecdotal evidence makes sense. When the throbber was growing up we *knew* less people than people know now. We are connected to vastly more people than we used to be thanks to Gore and Zuckerberg. So of course we're going to know more people doing scary shit.UWhuskytskeet said:
Despite your anecdotal evidence, suicide rates are down from last century.PurpleThrobber said:
In his dickish way, what I think OBK is trying to say is that suicide among the young is at epidemic proportions - and perhaps the way society currently views it and is combating it isn't working.jhfstyle24 said:
You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.jhfstyle24 said:
You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?jhfstyle24 said:
That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.oregonblitzkrieg said:The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.
I am not quite as old as @RaceBannon but, in my youth, I honestly do not recall ANY young person taking their own life though I know it happened very rarely. Over the course of the last couple years, I can count multiple occurrences in which acquaintances were touched by suicide.
I can empathize with the mindset of the deceased - but can't condone the act or somehow hold up the victim as heroic. You said it yourself - "there's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens". Whatever that reason may be, 'talk to someone' or "call 1-800..." doesn't work and needs examination as to why this is now a somewhat accepted method of solving one's problems.
Keeping depression in the closet didn't work.
There have been multiple (gratefully) unsuccessful suicide attempts in my family. It sucks ass.
Ts and Ps to the Helsinkis.
If we wanted to treat suicide as the public health epidemic it is we would do something to control or limit the vector.
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Right, well, if you have suicidal thoughts that means suicidal ideation and a plan probably. You're hairsplitting. The problem is, from what I read, is that if you report that you could wind up being warehoused until help is available. I saw this in the news in the last couple of years. So, my point is still a valid one that a person in such a state is going to be held back from self reporting for fear of being involuntarily committed. Spin it all you want but that would be how it plays out.FremontTroll said:
Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.ApostleofGrief said:My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.
Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital. -
Just for the record yesterday was my friend's memorial who committed suicide last week. I've got no issue with anything anyone has said in this thread. If anything, the humor is helping me process this shit.
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The info I see is: In Washington State and many other states, an individual can be involuntarily committed if that person is found to be mentally ill and either “presents a likelihood of serious harm” or is “gravely disabled.”
So that is hopelessly subjective. Personally I think you should retain the right to suicide as a kind of right along with free speech. I mean, don't commit suicide. But I am saying it's your right. A guy playing for Leach might contemplate suicide. Maybe he is afraid of seeking help for fear of involuntary commitment. So he shrugs it off, until one day maybe his girlfriend breaks up, or there is some trigger. My argument here is sound in that it should be easier to seek help with no fear of being locked up. -
People are different and process grief in different manners. If you want sensitivity and a hug HH is not the place to be seeking it. Anyone expecting that has only their own self to examine. Now, if you want some dark jokes and some good laughter into a nihilistic void HH provides that in spades. Keep being funny ass-clowns. It's what you(we) are good at.
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No, I am not hairsplitting. There is a nuanced but very significant difference between active suicidal intent with a plan (and means) to carry out your intent and a passive wish to die. People can live for years with ever present suicidal wishes or fleeting and intrusive thoughts without any intent or plan.ApostleofGrief said:
Right, well, if you have suicidal thoughts that means suicidal ideation and a plan probably. You're hairsplitting. The problem is, from what I read, is that if you report that you could wind up being warehoused until help is available. I saw this in the news in the last couple of years. So, my point is still a valid one that a person in such a state is going to be held back from self reporting for fear of being involuntarily committed. Spin it all you want but that would be how it plays out.FremontTroll said:
Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.ApostleofGrief said:My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.
Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital.
If you want to get educated there are many places you can go. If you want to rely on your memory of something you saw on the news a few years ago then go wild. You are wrong though. People may and do fear reporting suicidal unfortunately but their fears are not valid.
