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Tyler Hilinski, dead.

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  • huskyhooliganhuskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,762 Swaye's Wigwam
    uzi said:

    T & Ps all around. Was already gloomy after the Dolores O'Riordan news (fuck off, at least I can admit it). Makes a person realize how short and fragile this existance is.

    Live every moment like its your last. Since I'm in Bangkok I'm heading out for a rub-n-tug.

    Aim a little higher and make it a rub-n-plug. Now you're cooking!
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,842
    Swaye said:

    Suicide POTD. Think if you had never seen this bored before and this was the first poast you read. Think about that.

    I love this place.
    And I love you my loveable, huggable, Injun-freng!
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.

    Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.

    Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.

    Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital.
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    dnc said:

    The anecdotal evidence makes sense. When the throbber was growing up we *knew* less people than people know now. We are connected to vastly more people than we used to be thanks to Gore and Zuckerberg. So of course we're going to know more people doing scary shit.

    There have been multiple (gratefully) unsuccessful suicide attempts in my family. It sucks ass.

    Ts and Ps to the Helsinkis.
    This brings up another point nobody has mentioned. Other than one specific method (gun to head) suicide attempts are usually unsuccessful and second attempts after a failed attempt are extremely rare.

    If we wanted to treat suicide as the public health epidemic it is we would do something to control or limit the vector.
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.

    Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.

    Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital.
    Right, well, if you have suicidal thoughts that means suicidal ideation and a plan probably. You're hairsplitting. The problem is, from what I read, is that if you report that you could wind up being warehoused until help is available. I saw this in the news in the last couple of years. So, my point is still a valid one that a person in such a state is going to be held back from self reporting for fear of being involuntarily committed. Spin it all you want but that would be how it plays out.
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    The info I see is: In Washington State and many other states, an individual can be involuntarily committed if that person is found to be mentally ill and either “presents a likelihood of serious harm” or is “gravely disabled.”

    So that is hopelessly subjective. Personally I think you should retain the right to suicide as a kind of right along with free speech. I mean, don't commit suicide. But I am saying it's your right. A guy playing for Leach might contemplate suicide. Maybe he is afraid of seeking help for fear of involuntary commitment. So he shrugs it off, until one day maybe his girlfriend breaks up, or there is some trigger. My argument here is sound in that it should be easier to seek help with no fear of being locked up.
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