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JIMMY LAKE DC, KWAT CO-DC

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  • Member Posts: 27,662

    K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.

    Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.

    Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.

    Patterson at asu this year.

    Although graham was the real dc
  • Member Posts: 56,840

    The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.


  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,334 Founders Club
    dnc said:


    53 seconds, biotch!
  • Member Posts: 15,316
    dnc said:

    Of all the possible positions to take on this move, "Kwat deserved the demotion" is clearly the most sensible. Kudos to you and @Haie on that.
    I try and look for the positive in everything.
  • Member Posts: 56,840
    dawgs206 said:

    Pros:
    -We keep Lake on staff.

    Cons:
    -Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
    -One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
    -Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting.

    Perfect summation
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,226 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?

    Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*.
    Have you seen the coaching carousel lately? Fucking dreck and double dreck. Lake will be gone in 1-2 years unless this defense takes yuuuuge steps backwards and then falls into a ditch.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,226 Founders Club

    The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.

    Get a fucking avatar.
  • Member Posts: 941

    Bullshit. Penn State was what, 14/15 against us on third down? That was some shit playcalling, and it's a little telling that it wasn't Kwat dialing those up. I think it's a great hire, but let's not kid ourselves, that was a shit defensive effort.
    I’m sorry but talent matters. It felt just like the Stanford game that Kwat called; couldn’t get off the field and picking on midget miles all day long. I agree it was a poor defensive showing and l love the lake promotion. I think Kwat has been grooming him for years. I don’t see a significant drop off at all. It will help us bc we’ll be able to attract more talent with our best recruiter as DC imo.
  • Member Posts: 957
    edited January 2018
    I think it’s time Lake gives Smalls a phone call
  • Member Posts: 784
    dawgs206 said:

    Pros:
    -We keep Lake on staff.

    Cons:
    -Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
    -One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
    -Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting.

    Hopefully Lake can help with recruiting more positions than DB, but who knows how that will go. It still seems like a somewhat awkward move because I doubt Lake feels like he is in complete control of the defense and that is probably something most DC's covet. I agree this is a 1-2 year move. 81% chance this works out until it doesn't.

    Obligatory were Dawgs1-205 already spoken for?! Otherwise, spot on take... this move is really puzzling to me too. Taking playcalling away from Kwat, something by any objective measure he's excelled at, and giving him more time to recruit, something by any objective measure he's failed at, is curious.
  • Member Posts: 797
    I hope the LinkedIn theory, in that nothing internally is actually going to change, is what's going on. Doesn't seem like something Pete would do though.

    This is bad.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,687 Swaye's Wigwam
    Damn guys who the fuck knows the reason behind it or what practical differences it even makes? Quit worrying your pretty little heads about it.

    But...my guess is they mutually agreed on a change of titles and there won't be much if any changes to how calls are made in game.
  • Member Posts: 1,176
    dnc said:

    There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.

    Really hard to imagine it making us better.

    Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.
  • Member Posts: 56,840

    Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.
    Komo 4?

    Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
  • Member Posts: 1,176
    dnc said:

    Komo 4?

    Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
    Saban shitcanned him after one game. He was never going to be the Bama OC in 17, he was a placeholder. Saban isn't completely FS. Dan Quinn is though. That speaks volumes.
  • Member Posts: 1,176
    dnc said:

    Komo 4?

    Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
    Also, the defense is Saban's baby. He NOGAF about the offense and leaves them alone but the defense.
  • Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,236 Founders Club
    As I tweeted earlier today, the shit show of coaching around college ball works in Pete's favor especially with the salary he can offer. A smart assistant won't be in a hurry to LEAVE for any shit job that opens up. He can stay a build a resume for a GOOD coaching job.

    Pete is a stable genius (hi @insinceredawg )
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,490 Swaye's Wigwam
    I thought Nick Holt was our DC in the Fiesta Bowl.
  • Member Posts: 6,000
    edited January 2018
    The other thing this makes me wonder is with this it makes it a bit more confusing why didn't we go after Gerald Alexander instead of hiring Will Harris. Guessing its either a $ issue (I'm sure Harris will be cheaper), or there is something Pete really likes about Harris.

    Either way it will be interesting...and I'm still betting Lake becomes the next Boise State coach when somebody hires Harsin away.
  • Member Posts: 5,280
    Is Lake fast strategy? Can he bring in enough fast strategy recruits? Is my post going to be nothing but questions?
  • Member Posts: 7,113
    dnc said:

    Komo 4?

    Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
    Probably coming from this tweet.

  • Member Posts: 2,986

    If true, I’m surprised Lake turned that down. I can’t remember an Alabama DV that didn’t get a good head coaching job.
    ND made a run at him, too
  • Member Posts: 3,180
    I really don't think this is that big of a change. First off, Twatkowski is a fucking stud.

    But as long as twat is largely in charge of game planning still, I'm not worried. In a good system the coaches come up with a gameplan and by game day the plays are whittled down so much that it's relatively idiot proof. Think Babushka under Tedfurd. Twat will do alittle extra hand holding for a couple years until Lake givesback the title he's been borrowing.
  • Member Posts: 13,172

    Saban shitcanned him after one game. He was never going to be the Bama OC in 17, he was a placeholder. Saban isn't completely FS. Dan Quinn is though. That speaks volumes.
    Whooooosh

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