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The Furious Five: Leveling up or leveling off?

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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    dnc said:

    Yankoff is a 2 because he's more boom-bust. Great arm, really good wheels (but mostly straight line wheels). But physically he's skinny and already been injured.

    He plays in a loser offense and QBs who can take off and house-it at any time can struggle adapting to an offense that isn't like that. His balls are not as diverse as you see from a guy like Matt Corral or Trevor Lawrence (who is incredible). He generally throws at one speed and one arc-trajectory. These are things a physically dominant QB can get away with in HS, especially when mated to his ability to run.

    However, the ability to throw all kinds of balls is really important.

    I view him VERY similarly to how I felt about Marcus Mariota, except for the fact that Marcus was a bit faster and Marcus had elite change of direction.

    He's really close to a 3. I loved Mariota because he was unreal as a runner and had a gun.

    Colson is really, really good as a runner (but mostly runs straight) and really, really good as a passer (but mostly throws at one speed and trajectory).

    On DICK NUT - he's close to a 1. I do like his speed change abilities, but I hate that he tries to bounce everything outside. He's got decent size. I see him as being pretty, pretty, pretty similar to Kamari Pleasant. That's why the 2.

    There are a couple 1s out there we might still end up with, but that would be a big level down.

    I see your points on Yankoff but I see it differently. For me, he's a guy who's a mid level Pac QB at worst. Baring injury (and I don't think the injury risk is significantly higher than other QB's) IMO, the only way he doesn't go down as our best QB since Pickett is if he gets beat out by Sirmon or Morris (in which case they're taking that title).

    The rushing ability raises his floor considerably for my money, and he's shown enough in big games against good opponents that I don't worry about him being not clutch.

    I see ways that Sirmon can't hack it mentally/emotionally. I see ways that Morris can't hack it physically. I don't have any concerns on either end about Yankoff other than injury.

    I'm all in on this kid.
    wow, you're all in for what....zero dollars?




  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,416 Founders Club
    Chin for wanting to be a team that fucks.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    dnc said:

    Meek said:

    dnc said:

    Yankoff is a 2 because he's more boom-bust. Great arm, really good wheels (but mostly straight line wheels). But physically he's skinny and already been injured.

    He plays in a loser offense and QBs who can take off and house-it at any time can struggle adapting to an offense that isn't like that. His balls are not as diverse as you see from a guy like Matt Corral or Trevor Lawrence (who is incredible). He generally throws at one speed and one arc-trajectory. These are things a physically dominant QB can get away with in HS, especially when mated to his ability to run.

    However, the ability to throw all kinds of balls is really important.

    I view him VERY similarly to how I felt about Marcus Mariota, except for the fact that Marcus was a bit faster and Marcus had elite change of direction.

    He's really close to a 3. I loved Mariota because he was unreal as a runner and had a gun.

    Colson is really, really good as a runner (but mostly runs straight) and really, really good as a passer (but mostly throws at one speed and trajectory).

    On DICK NUT - he's close to a 1. I do like his speed change abilities, but I hate that he tries to bounce everything outside. He's got decent size. I see him as being pretty, pretty, pretty similar to Kamari Pleasant. That's why the 2.

    There are a couple 1s out there we might still end up with, but that would be a big level down.

    I see your points on Yankoff but I see it differently. For me, he's a guy who's a mid level Pac QB at worst. Baring injury (and I don't think the injury risk is significantly higher than other QB's) IMO, the only way he doesn't go down as our best QB since Pickett is if he gets beat out by Sirmon or Morris (in which case they're taking that title).

    The rushing ability raises his floor considerably for my money, and he's shown enough in big games against good opponents that I don't worry about him being not clutch.

    I see ways that Sirmon can't hack it mentally/emotionally. I see ways that Morris can't hack it physically. I don't have any concerns on either end about Yankoff other than injury.

    I'm all in on this kid.
    wow, you're all in for what....zero dollars?




    Yeah but that's like 81 dollars Canadian pesos
  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    edited December 2017
    dnc said:

    Yankoff is a 2 because he's more boom-bust. Great arm, really good wheels (but mostly straight line wheels). But physically he's skinny and already been injured.

    He plays in a loser offense and QBs who can take off and house-it at any time can struggle adapting to an offense that isn't like that. His balls are not as diverse as you see from a guy like Matt Corral or Trevor Lawrence (who is incredible). He generally throws at one speed and one arc-trajectory. These are things a physically dominant QB can get away with in HS, especially when mated to his ability to run.

    However, the ability to throw all kinds of balls is really important.

    I view him VERY similarly to how I felt about Marcus Mariota, except for the fact that Marcus was a bit faster and Marcus had elite change of direction.

    He's really close to a 3. I loved Mariota because he was unreal as a runner and had a gun.

    Colson is really, really good as a runner (but mostly runs straight) and really, really good as a passer (but mostly throws at one speed and trajectory).

    On DICK NUT - he's close to a 1. I do like his speed change abilities, but I hate that he tries to bounce everything outside. He's got decent size. I see him as being pretty, pretty, pretty similar to Kamari Pleasant. That's why the 2.

    There are a couple 1s out there we might still end up with, but that would be a big level down.

    I see your points on Yankoff but I see it differently. For me, he's a guy who's a mid level Pac QB at worst. Baring injury (and I don't think the injury risk is significantly higher than other QB's) IMO, the only way he doesn't go down as our best QB since Pickett is if he gets beat out by Sirmon or Morris (in which case they're taking that title).

    The rushing ability raises his floor considerably for my money, and he's shown enough in big games against good opponents that I don't worry about him being not clutch.

    I see ways that Sirmon can't hack it mentally/emotionally. I see ways that Morris can't hack it physically. I don't have any concerns on either end about Yankoff other than injury.

    I'm all in on this kid.
    I hesitate on the mental stuff and I think that's the difference in our evals, though I see what you're saying. I never feel like one (HS) clearly, clearly translates to the other (college) because confidence is context specific.

    But I agree, whomever wins this competition should be really fucking good.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited December 2017

    dnc said:

    Yankoff is a 2 because he's more boom-bust. Great arm, really good wheels (but mostly straight line wheels). But physically he's skinny and already been injured.

    He plays in a loser offense and QBs who can take off and house-it at any time can struggle adapting to an offense that isn't like that. His balls are not as diverse as you see from a guy like Matt Corral or Trevor Lawrence (who is incredible). He generally throws at one speed and one arc-trajectory. These are things a physically dominant QB can get away with in HS, especially when mated to his ability to run.

    However, the ability to throw all kinds of balls is really important.

    I view him VERY similarly to how I felt about Marcus Mariota, except for the fact that Marcus was a bit faster and Marcus had elite change of direction.

    He's really close to a 3. I loved Mariota because he was unreal as a runner and had a gun.

    Colson is really, really good as a runner (but mostly runs straight) and really, really good as a passer (but mostly throws at one speed and trajectory).

    On DICK NUT - he's close to a 1. I do like his speed change abilities, but I hate that he tries to bounce everything outside. He's got decent size. I see him as being pretty, pretty, pretty similar to Kamari Pleasant. That's why the 2.

    There are a couple 1s out there we might still end up with, but that would be a big level down.

    I see your points on Yankoff but I see it differently. For me, he's a guy who's a mid level Pac QB at worst. Baring injury (and I don't think the injury risk is significantly higher than other QB's) IMO, the only way he doesn't go down as our best QB since Pickett is if he gets beat out by Sirmon or Morris (in which case they're taking that title).

    The rushing ability raises his floor considerably for my money, and he's shown enough in big games against good opponents that I don't worry about him being not clutch.

    I see ways that Sirmon can't hack it mentally/emotionally. I see ways that Morris can't hack it physically. I don't have any concerns on either end about Yankoff other than injury.

    I'm all in on this kid.
    I hesitate on the mental stuff and I think that's the difference in our evals, though I see what you're saying. I never feel like one (HS) clearly, clearly translates to the other (college) because confidence is context specific.

    But I agree, whomever wins this competition should be really fucking good.
    You've been doing this a lot longer and more in depth than I have. I have a ton of respect for your opinion.

    Will be fun to see how it plays out.

    Now, let's FINISH!
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,242
    Yeah ... we’re in a really interesting spot right now ...

    We have a pretty good class ... it could be a great class if things play out right ...

    We’ve never been a program that closes well on guys that decide late at the elite level ...

    All in all I think this class will be better than last year’s class ... but we need to get just a little bit better classes to keep making a leap forward