Which result would be the worst for your 2013 Huskies?
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You're really dancing around the argument that James didn't get plunger raped with the frequency that Sark does. By any chance are you a politician?IrishDawg22 said:
You clearly have never been in a managerial or leadership position. How can you just drop that bomb on me? Are you really telling me I am not going to succeed as an anonymous web poster? My life dreams have been crushed. You should really work on your people skills.DerekJohnson said:I'm not worked up at all. I just think you're trying to be a fly in the ointment without the ability of a TierbsHsotBoobs to really pull it off.
Don James didn't get routinely destroyed by 30+ points, bear hug opposing coaches and then go on the radio and make a bunch of pre-rehearsed whiny remarks about how much he has accomplished and how much the odds were stacked against him.
There would have been some people criticizing him for sure, but to try to say that we would be acting the same toward him is nonsense.
Oh, by any chance are you a politician?? You really danced around the main argument.
So an 8-5 regular season should never be accepted at the UW?
To address the "main argument," the reason that 8-5 shouldn't be acceptable is because we've been barraged the last few years about how 2013 would be special, how 2013 is going to be indicative of what Sark has been building. If 8-5 is considered special by the coaching staff and athletic department/administration, then yes I would consider that to be unacceptable. That's not a special season.
If Sark had gone 8-5 at any point in the previous 4 years, many people probably wouldn't be saying that it's an unacceptable record. For this year, though, it is. -
The pac-12 schedule next year will also be a lot easier. You get Stanford, ASU, UCLA and OSU at home. Stanford and ASU lose quite a bit this year. Road games are Cal, Colorado, WSU, UA, UO. 6-3/10-3 should be the minimum expectation.He_Needs_More_Time said:
The OOC schedule is a joke in 2014. Eastern Washington, Illinois and Georgia Southern at home plus at Hawaii should be 4-0 rather easily.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Then in 2014 the schedule is extremely easy IIRC. He can go 9-5 Or probably even 8-6 ( there are 13 regular season games) And probably get an extension.RoadDawg55 said:8 wins with no plunger rape losses would be progress, but I would still hope for Sark to be gone. I don't think he will be gone unless we miss a bowl. 7 or 8 wins would be bad because we would have to put up with at least one more year of Sark ball.
Hopefully we have a new head coach in 2014 but I know boy wonder will still be here "learning on the job".
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It looks easier now, but come this time next year I'm sure there will be people talking about how much harder it is, 10 wins isn't realistic, these things take time, and how we need to take a walk and get some perspective.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
The pac-12 schedule next year will also be a lot easier. You get Stanford, ASU, UCLA and OSU at home. Stanford and ASU lose quite a bit this year. Road games are Cal, Colorado, WSU, UA, UO. 6-3/10-3 should be the minimum expectation.He_Needs_More_Time said:
The OOC schedule is a joke in 2014. Eastern Washington, Illinois and Georgia Southern at home plus at Hawaii should be 4-0 rather easily.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Then in 2014 the schedule is extremely easy IIRC. He can go 9-5 Or probably even 8-6 ( there are 13 regular season games) And probably get an extension.RoadDawg55 said:8 wins with no plunger rape losses would be progress, but I would still hope for Sark to be gone. I don't think he will be gone unless we miss a bowl. 7 or 8 wins would be bad because we would have to put up with at least one more year of Sark ball.
Hopefully we have a new head coach in 2014 but I know boy wonder will still be here "learning on the job". -
The fact that Sark would get this extension after an 8-5 season that was completely meaningless is EXACTLY why 8-5 is the worst case scenario.Houhusky said:BSU - W
@ Illinois - W (even though its away they are fucking terrible)
Idaho St. - W
@ Arizona - W
After a 4-0 start doogs will ask where is race bannon now and only come here to beat their chests
Stanford - L
Oregon - L
You cant expect to compete with those two teams after 0-12
@ASU - L (the 3 game losing streak per season must be maintained)
Cal - W
Colorado - W
@UCLA - L (we havent won their since 1995? or 1999?)
@OSU - L
WSU - W (its fucking WSU)
after starting off the season strong UW falters in pac12 play against TUFF opponents and then limps their way to a bowl game finishing just 3-5 in the last 8 games. Kraft fight the hunger bowl invites UW and Fresno St. when Sark secures his contract extension to keep him away from the NFL by beating Fresno St. 34-17. Sark finishes 8-5. worst case scenario. -
8-5 is a perfectly acceptable down year. When it is your best year in your five years on the job, it's time to LEAVE!IrishDawg22 said:
You clearly have never been in a managerial or leadership position. How can you just drop that bomb on me? Are you really telling me I am not going to succeed as an anonymous web poster? My life dreams have been crushed. You should really work on your people skills.DerekJohnson said:I'm not worked up at all. I just think you're trying to be a fly in the ointment without the ability of a TierbsHsotBoobs to really pull it off.
Don James didn't get routinely destroyed by 30+ points, bear hug opposing coaches and then go on the radio and make a bunch of pre-rehearsed whiny remarks about how much he has accomplished and how much the odds were stacked against him.
There would have been some people criticizing him for sure, but to try to say that we would be acting the same toward him is nonsense.
Oh, by any chance are you a politician?? You really danced around the main argument.
So an 8-5 regular season should never be accepted at the UW?
Then again, he should have been fired on the 50 yard line of Martin Vandal Stadium at the end of the 2012 Apple Cup. -
Now that is how you make an argument. I thought his statement was saying that it is never acceptable to go 8-5 at the UW.BAMAdawg10 said:
You're really dancing around the argument that James didn't get plunger raped with the frequency that Sark does. By any chance are you a politician?IrishDawg22 said:
You clearly have never been in a managerial or leadership position. How can you just drop that bomb on me? Are you really telling me I am not going to succeed as an anonymous web poster? My life dreams have been crushed. You should really work on your people skills.DerekJohnson said:I'm not worked up at all. I just think you're trying to be a fly in the ointment without the ability of a TierbsHsotBoobs to really pull it off.
Don James didn't get routinely destroyed by 30+ points, bear hug opposing coaches and then go on the radio and make a bunch of pre-rehearsed whiny remarks about how much he has accomplished and how much the odds were stacked against him.
There would have been some people criticizing him for sure, but to try to say that we would be acting the same toward him is nonsense.
Oh, by any chance are you a politician?? You really danced around the main argument.
So an 8-5 regular season should never be accepted at the UW?
To address the "main argument," the reason that 8-5 shouldn't be acceptable is because we've been barraged the last few years about how 2013 would be special, how 2013 is going to be indicative of what Sark has been building. If 8-5 is considered special by the coaching staff and athletic department/administration, then yes I would consider that to be unacceptable. That's not a special season.
If Sark had gone 8-5 at any point in the previous 4 years, many people probably wouldn't be saying that it's an unacceptable record. For this year, though, it is.
But if we are only talking about this year, then I agree. The minimum standard this year should be 9 regular season wins + a bowl VICTORY. -
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Yep our worst case scenario is living out.He_Needs_More_Time said:I voted 8-5. At 8-5 there is some "progress" so that will buy Sark even more time to continue his mediocrity.
Going 0-12 would suck but that's just for one year. The advantage would be Woodward and Sark would be D.A.O.
While I do believe 7-6 neither would be fired, I do feel both would be on the hot season heading into 2014.
That's why 8-5 would be the worst for me. -
I always assumed the ranked Oregon State comment was by IMALOSER not Irish.IrishDawg22 said:
3 = the number of times DJ faced an WSU, Oregon or Oregon St team that was ranked during his career.DerekJohnson said:
You do realize that DJ never got to play 12 game schedules and face Div II teamsIrishDawg22 said:
You do realize that 50% of DJ's season ended with 8 wins or lessHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Just stop please. That type of talk is why Doogs were willing to give a Ty a chance. He wasn't really 4-9 since every loss was close and that has to count.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Definitely 8-5. Technically its improvement but not the jump you really need to see after three straight 7-6s. After going 5-7 and then only winning 8 games over the next three years with improved talent is the sign of a poor coach.
Now if they are 8-5 but beat Arizona, Boise, Cal by 17, Illinois by 30, Colorado by 30 and lose to Oregon by 14 Stanford by 7 and ASU, UCLA and OSU by 3-7 then the advanced metrics would probably show a jump from the 45-55th of the past 3 years to 20-25.
Sorry only thing that matters is scoreboard baby! Did you fucking win the game or did you fucking lose the game?
Under no circumstance should 8-5 be acceptable.
Sure glad this board was not around then.
HTH
And almost every year had the cupcake (San Jose St, Idaho, etc)
These people would have crucified him for going 6-5, 5-6, 8-4 (on field) and 7-4.
This was back when Irish was reaching IMALOSER territory in threads. -
Illinois is a very poor Big-10 team. Any team in the FBS that can field a punt return team could beat Idaho St, as can many D2 teams. PLU could beat Idaho St.
The Huskie W/L record is really only 6-4, and the six wins included only ONE or TWO teams that were really much of a challenge. Cal and Colorado programs are in such dismal shape that it really is a write off. Oregon St, for whatever reason, simply didn't want to play football. Arizona was discombobulated.
Once the bullshit is set aside, the effective W/L record this season was 2-4 COUNTING THE GAMES THAT WERE SOME KIND OF CHALLENGE BEYOND MEDIOCRITY. -
You should change your name to Dialed In Doog.
Don James actually dwelled on and went into every detail imaginable after his losses and he became a better and more successful coach than our super star now who still hasn't fully shed his training wheels and has been a guaranteed money maker every year if you bet on him getting blown out by 30 points for at least one of his losses.
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