PWC: Gun violence in America, explained in 17 maps and charts
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Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
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Paws, I'm curious why you are linking a liberal website. That being said, this chart is telling. I'm curious if anyone knows when the Brady bill was signed and then lapsed correlated with this chart.
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Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/
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Chart #5 is telling. Look how low NJ and IL are relatively speaking and that's with places like Chicago and Newark included. And the all white people states like MT and WY are leading the pack.
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Aussies commit suicide by auto-erotic asphyxiation. Everybody knows that.
Don't change for me.
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There could be 1 billion charts. Paul Ryan isn't passing meaningful gun control, so that's that.
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What does @Dardanus have to say?
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Yes, the Australian gun laws changed in the late 90s. Notice the drop since then until now? Give the chart a different scale. Dullard.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/ -
'85 - '93 spike in violence, mass shootings, L.A. gangsters shooting uzis at each other, playground shootings, etc. Led to crime bills, assault weapons ban, and passage of Brady Bill.
Progressives conveniently ignore the spike in violence from the drug trafficking gang wars of the late 80's and early 90's when they decry Mass Incarceration and instead blame it solely upon unfair & discriminatory sentencing laws.
Sorry folks, but you can't ignore the facts when making your arguments. -
In order as they appear in the article:RaceBannon said:What does @Dardanus have to say?
1) Infographics are overrated
2) See above (oh they used an icon of a gun...cute! Can't wait to Pinterest it!)
3) Most map charts just become population charts
4) Calendars should always feature bikini girls
5) Too busy
6) Too small
7) Not enough contrast to make an impact. Every state is colored, so you can't easily identify the focal point(s)
8) Grid lines too dotted
9) Line charts don't need data markers
10) Needs more contrast between colors
11) Pie charts are for pedophiles, although kudos for limiting to two slices per pie
12) Visually not bad. Incomplete story as it's lacking the suicide rate for self-immolation over the same years.
13) Another population chart ... worthless
14) Not terrible. Uses a lot of ink to say almost nothing, though.
15) Here, the data labels don't add insight and make an already busy chart busier. Showing % on Y-axis would be a better choice
16) Hard to follow
17) Pretty good, except the "R-D diff" column on the right is unnecessary and distracting
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Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/ -
Sounds like they all deadAZDuck said:
Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/ -
in the long run, we all areRaceBannon said:
Sounds like they all deadAZDuck said:
Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/ -
if you SEE gun violence, SAY SOMETHING!
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Well most of usAZDuck said:
in the long run, we all areRaceBannon said:
Sounds like they all deadAZDuck said:
Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/ -
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left. -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rateSledog said:
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left.
Look at all these liberal states!!
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https://swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614Sledog said:
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left.
Not the case -
2001400ex said:
Yes, the Australian gun laws changed in the late 90s. Notice the drop since then until now? Give the chart a different scale. Dullard.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/
Two morons that can't read.AZDuck said:
Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/
From the link...
In 2015, 3,027 people ended their own lives in Australia. That's 12.6 people in every 100,000.
Which puts it above the average of where its been for the last almost 100 years. So if you are "bright" enough to write an article that says getting rid of guns will save people from committing suicide and use Australia as the example, shouldn't you at least go spend 30 seconds Googling the actual Australia data to see if it helped before you claim this wonderful benefit?
Like I said, the Vox folks are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
And if you are "bright" enough to reply to a simple post pointing out this stupidity without reading/understanding a simple link and plot...well...that is how we coin terms like HondoFS...but in your defense at least you weren't alone?
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Linky no worky. I even run into Swiss citizens at rifle ranges here in the states because even if they are out of country they turn in there qualification targets. The don't have their Stg57's or SG550'something. They were shooting K31's because they can't have the others here. They buy ammunition at cost from the government and that most towns have shooting ranges. I guess they were all crazy liars.AZDuck said:
https://swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614Sledog said:
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left.
Not the case -
HoustonHusky said:2001400ex said:
Yes, the Australian gun laws changed in the late 90s. Notice the drop since then until now? Give the chart a different scale. Dullard.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/
Two morons that can't read.AZDuck said:
Your @TheChart is hard as fuck to read, but it looks like Australia's death rate by suicide is as low as it's been since the early 1950's.HoustonHusky said:Vox aren't the sharpest tools in the shed...
If you are going to site Australia's gun suicide rate dropping as a leading example of why you should limit guns shouldn't you do a bit more background research on that (i.e. is it really changing anything)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/27/australias-suicide-crisis-has-peaked-to-a-terrifying-new-height_a_21480647/
From the link...
In 2015, 3,027 people ended their own lives in Australia. That's 12.6 people in every 100,000.
Which puts it above the average of where its been for the last almost 100 years. So if you are "bright" enough to write an article that says getting rid of guns will save people from committing suicide and use Australia as the example, shouldn't you at least go spend 30 seconds Googling the actual Australia data to see if it helped before you claim this wonderful benefit?
Like I said, the Vox folks are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
And if you are "bright" enough to reply to a simple post pointing out this stupidity without reading/understanding a simple link and plot...well...that is how we coin terms like HondoFS...but in your defense at least you weren't alone?
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Japan has high suicide rates and they don't need any guns to get it done! People bent on killing themselves always find a way.
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@HoustonHusky
Your HuffPoAustralia article was unsourced garbage. The chart, which is from the Australian statistics department, is more trustworthy but a shitty chart. Why you posted a HuffPo article and a chart that contradicted it I don't know. In your mind I guess that makes sense.
Even taking the unsourced 12.6 number, it is well below highest rates listed in the Aussie chart. -
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912Sledog said:
Linky no worky. I even run into Swiss citizens at rifle ranges here in the states because even if they are out of country they turn in there qualification targets. The don't have their Stg57's or SG550'something. They were shooting K31's because they can't have the others here. They buy ammunition at cost from the government and that most towns have shooting ranges. I guess they were all crazy liars.AZDuck said:
https://swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614Sledog said:
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left.
Not the case
you're the crazy liar, not they -
no, no I met this guy once who said that his cousin's little brother was with a Swiss guy once and they all have FULL AUTO machine guns with ANTITANKROCKETATTACHMENTS in their closets and they all shoot them off in the town square because that's how they vote in SwitzerlandBearsWiin said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912Sledog said:
Linky no worky. I even run into Swiss citizens at rifle ranges here in the states because even if they are out of country they turn in there qualification targets. The don't have their Stg57's or SG550'something. They were shooting K31's because they can't have the others here. They buy ammunition at cost from the government and that most towns have shooting ranges. I guess they were all crazy liars.AZDuck said:
https://swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614Sledog said:
Switzerland does very nicely but I'm not sure how since most adults have an actual assault weapon and ammunition at home.AZDuck said:
Excellent compilation.pawz said:
This is why my default setting on guns is: people who want to keep things more or less as they are need to show me how to make gun ownership safe by developed-world standards.
Alternatively - treat guns like cars.
This article is total bullshit. Just look where most homicides occur and it'll be democrat controlled and have very strict gun laws. Try the book More Guns Less Crime. By this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
526 murder victims in Chicago alone so far this year. Hondo's silence is the normal response from the far left.
Not the case
you're the crazy liar, not they -
This is in the country that @sledog is using to make his point? How do you feel to about communism again?
All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home. -
HuffingtonPost is garbage, but even they aren't Vox-stupid and got a number correct:AZDuck said:@HoustonHusky
Your HuffPoAustralia article was unsourced garbage. The chart, which is from the Australian statistics department, is more trustworthy but a shitty chart. Why you posted a HuffPo article and a chart that contradicted it I don't know. In your mind I guess that makes sense.
Even taking the unsourced 12.6 number, it is well below highest rates listed in the Aussie chart.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by Subject/3303.0~2015~Main Features~Intentional self-harm: key characteristics~8
One of the main points the Vox moron made was taking away guns saves lives because there will be fewer suicides, yet Australia govt data shows the death rate in 2015 (well after their gun laws were enacted) was above the average for the last 100 years and well within line of historical data (i.e. suicide rates in Australia are not statistically different now from historical averages before the gun laws, directly contradicting the 22 year old "Senior Writer" at Vox).
You got caught being HondoFS and are just flailing now... -
So Sledog was right2001400ex said:This is in the country that @sledog is using to make his point? How do you feel to about communism again?
All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home. -
You and @Sledog hate communism except for when you love it.RaceBannon said:
So Sledog was right2001400ex said:This is in the country that @sledog is using to make his point? How do you feel to about communism again?
All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home. -
Fuck off dumbass. You got schooled by the Sledog
