Bailey "Music From the" Elder, 4* 2019 OL, Tacoma (Stadium), WA
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Honestly I can't imagine there's anyway we loose him as long as we offer in a reasonable time frame and make a reasonable effort to get him. Given his condition I'd imagine his parents aren't trying to ship him off somewhere. Moms of autistic kids are protective as fuck. His mom is obviously better than the average since she's letting him play football, but I still don't see her signing off on him moving far away.GrundleStiltzkin said:NMTE,DW?HASWTG?
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It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
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No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
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I've heard about guys that "play to the whistle" and stay engaged 30 or 40 yards downfield, and that some guys do it with a vengeance, but I've never actually SEEN it.
Those guys he's blocking might be small, but he's still engaged with them 20, 30, 40 yards downfield and doing it aggressively. Wow. -
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
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Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent. -
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day @RoadDawg55 can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!" -
Way to go out on a limb!BallzDeep said:
Whole different animal pass protecting against D1 talent. That's what separates the prospects from the posers. We'll see.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent. -
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!" -
So what don't you like about him? I seriously want to hear!BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!" -
God you are a fucking retard. Bailey Elder is a fucking boss. Big Sky? Are you fucked?BallzDeep said:
Never said I didn't like him. He's a good athlete. Definitely a D1 prospect. But you were talking about him like he's some under the radar 5* talent and he's not. Time will tell if he's a Mountain West/Big Sky guy or a legit Pac-12 guy. This video of him and other prospects including Kalepo and your favorite Marco Da Monsta competing at May Madness will bring your perception of him back down to Earth.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
So what don't you like about him? I seriously want to hear!BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RSyAkG2UcE
Fucking May Madness? Are you fucking kidding me? Christ alfuckingmighty. -
This.Dennis_DeYoung said:
God you are a fucking retard.BallzDeep said:
Never said I didn't like him. He's a good athlete. Definitely a D1 prospect. But you were talking about him like he's some under the radar 5* talent and he's not. Time will tell if he's a Mountain West/Big Sky guy or a legit Pac-12 guy. This video of him and other prospects including Kalepo and your favorite Marco Da Monsta competing at May Madness will bring your perception of him back down to Earth.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
So what don't you like about him? I seriously want to hear!BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RSyAkG2UcE
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Say this all you want, but you know Yankoff Yanked Off when he saw this HUDL.BallzDeep said:
Whole different animal pass protecting against D1 talent. That's what separates the prospects from the posers. We'll see.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent. -
I was at May Madness... no one looked like an epic lineman there like Foster Sarell did at these types of things. Guys got beat to their post foot repeatedly, which is a huge no-no, and walked away as 4* guys.
His reps weren't any better or worse than anyone else there. 1v1 reps are a little weird without pads on, IMO.
Game film speaks volumes compared to 7v7, 1v1, combines, or any other offseason stuff these guys go to. He can't control who he plays, just how he addresses them. Which in this case was flat out nasty. -
Elder's floor is as a devastating pulling guard ...
His ceiling is as a mauling RT
Either way, he's a prospect you want on your OL ...
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BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!"
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I was trying to watch Wellington tape one time and all I could see was Hunter Bryant. That must have been ignorant of me.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent. -
That's fine, I do that too. But you don't need to consider competition when seeing how someone moves or how they play the game. Taylor Rapp is the perfect example, he played no one in HS but he moved so well and played as hard as anyone I had seen.rustysavage said:
I was trying to watch Wellington tape one time and all I could see was Hunter Bryant. That must have been ignorant of me.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent.
Edit: And I understand his competition was really poor, but no matter who we are recruiting in HS the competition when they get to CFB is going to be MASSIVELY different. Everyone understands that, it's just the question of, "Do they have the talent/tools needed to play or get developed at the college level." -
Joey Ramos? R u fucking kidding me.BallzDeep said:He's not more talented than Trey Adams, Kaleb McGary, Henry Bainivalu, or Colin Porter to name a few. He's not even more talented than Joey Ramos from the 2018 class. Probably won't get offered by UW. We're trying to recruit the best of the best and rare bodies. He's not one of them.
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He's one game into his junior year. We offer tons of guys in the Spring of their junior year.BallzDeep said:
May Madness is the same exact shit the coaches are looking at when they have their Dirt Dawgs camp. If Elder was as good as you claim he is he would already have an offer. I don't see him ever being offered by this staff unless they miss on their top targets.Dennis_DeYoung said:
God you are a fucking retard. Bailey Elder is a fucking boss. Big Sky? Are you fucked?BallzDeep said:
Never said I didn't like him. He's a good athlete. Definitely a D1 prospect. But you were talking about him like he's some under the radar 5* talent and he's not. Time will tell if he's a Mountain West/Big Sky guy or a legit Pac-12 guy. This video of him and other prospects including Kalepo and your favorite Marco Da Monsta competing at May Madness will bring your perception of him back down to Earth.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
So what don't you like about him? I seriously want to hear!BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RSyAkG2UcE
Fucking May Madness? Are you fucking kidding me? Christ alfuckingmighty.
The only thing I agree with you on is that Elder probably warrants a lot of research because of his disability. -
Your last sentence is my worry. Our coaches will do a ton of reasearch/checking into him because of that too.RoadDawg55 said:
He's one game into his junior year. We offer tons of guys in the Spring of their junior year.BallzDeep said:
May Madness is the same exact shit the coaches are looking at when they have their Dirt Dawgs camp. If Elder was as good as you claim he is he would already have an offer. I don't see him ever being offered by this staff unless they miss on their top targets.Dennis_DeYoung said:
God you are a fucking retard. Bailey Elder is a fucking boss. Big Sky? Are you fucked?BallzDeep said:
Never said I didn't like him. He's a good athlete. Definitely a D1 prospect. But you were talking about him like he's some under the radar 5* talent and he's not. Time will tell if he's a Mountain West/Big Sky guy or a legit Pac-12 guy. This video of him and other prospects including Kalepo and your favorite Marco Da Monsta competing at May Madness will bring your perception of him back down to Earth.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
So what don't you like about him? I seriously want to hear!BallzDeep said:
I said go ahead. Enjoy yourself. Hell, pleasure yourself to the thought of UW having retard strength along the O-line. I don't care.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
What a dud you are, ballzdeep. SAD!BallzDeep said:
You're right. I apologize. I don't give a fuck that you're massively wrong. Go ahead.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day roaddawg can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RSyAkG2UcE
Fucking May Madness? Are you fucking kidding me? Christ alfuckingmighty.
The only thing I agree with you on is that Elder probably warrants a lot of research because of his disability. -
I have been able to watch Elder up close for almost three years now. He has improved exponentially this past off-season, I believe he is training with FSP now. He will be, IMO, a bubble recruit somewhere with a strong MW team (BSU?) or a weaker PAC-12 team (OSU/ Cal/ WSU). I do think it is possible that UW offers him (next spring earliest) but to date they have shown little/ no interest. Even at Dirt Dawgs camp there were other 2019 recruits that Huff was very focused on and chatting up (several in particular he purposely grabbed and put with the seniors, Elder was not among them). This could all change quickly if he keeps playing like he has though- against serious talent. If offered, I pretty much guarantee he will go to UW.
This will likely be a break out year for him but he is not big time talent yet. He very well could be though and his frame is clearly in the Elite size category. -
Size and strength are dime a dozen, but his movement is extremely rare. Alsodumpsterchair said:I have been able to watch Elder up close for almost three years now. He has improved exponentially this past off-season, I believe he is training with FSP now. He will be, IMO, a bubble recruit somewhere with a strong MW team (BSU?) or a weaker PAC-12 team (OSU/ Cal/ WSU). I do think it is possible that UW offers him (next spring earliest) but to date they have shown little/ no interest. Even at Dirt Dawgs camp there were other 2019 recruits that Huff was very focused on and chatting up (several in particular he purposely grabbed and put with the seniors, Elder was not among them). This could all change quickly if he keeps playing like he has though- against serious talent. If offered, I pretty much guarantee he will go to UW.
This will likely be a break out year for him but he is not big time talent yet. He very well could be though and his frame is clearly in the Elite size category.
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Um no, his mobility is certainly not elite even for his size. So no. Huff literally ignored him at DD. And GFY.WeakarmCobra said:
Size and strength are dime a dozen, but his movement is extremely rare. Alsodumpsterchair said:I have been able to watch Elder up close for almost three years now. He has improved exponentially this past off-season, I believe he is training with FSP now. He will be, IMO, a bubble recruit somewhere with a strong MW team (BSU?) or a weaker PAC-12 team (OSU/ Cal/ WSU). I do think it is possible that UW offers him (next spring earliest) but to date they have shown little/ no interest. Even at Dirt Dawgs camp there were other 2019 recruits that Huff was very focused on and chatting up (several in particular he purposely grabbed and put with the seniors, Elder was not among them). This could all change quickly if he keeps playing like he has though- against serious talent. If offered, I pretty much guarantee he will go to UW.
This will likely be a break out year for him but he is not big time talent yet. He very well could be though and his frame is clearly in the Elite size category.
LEAVE -
(Btw, the "LEAVE" thing is a hardcorehusky meme. Don't get offended by it. Same with "Fuck Off!" .... That's a Tequilla thing ... enjoy your stay)dumpsterchair said:
Um no, his mobility is certainly not elite even for his size. So no. Huff literally ignored him at DD. And GFY.WeakarmCobra said:
Size and strength are dime a dozen, but his movement is extremely rare. Alsodumpsterchair said:I have been able to watch Elder up close for almost three years now. He has improved exponentially this past off-season, I believe he is training with FSP now. He will be, IMO, a bubble recruit somewhere with a strong MW team (BSU?) or a weaker PAC-12 team (OSU/ Cal/ WSU). I do think it is possible that UW offers him (next spring earliest) but to date they have shown little/ no interest. Even at Dirt Dawgs camp there were other 2019 recruits that Huff was very focused on and chatting up (several in particular he purposely grabbed and put with the seniors, Elder was not among them). This could all change quickly if he keeps playing like he has though- against serious talent. If offered, I pretty much guarantee he will go to UW.
This will likely be a break out year for him but he is not big time talent yet. He very well could be though and his frame is clearly in the Elite size category.
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I'm not losing any sleep over it but good looking out.animate said:
(Btw, the "LEAVE" thing is a hardcorehusky meme. Don't get offended by it. Same with "Fuck Off!" .... That's a Tequilla thing ... enjoy your stay)dumpsterchair said:
Um no, his mobility is certainly not elite even for his size. So no. Huff literally ignored him at DD. And GFY.WeakarmCobra said:
Size and strength are dime a dozen, but his movement is extremely rare. Alsodumpsterchair said:I have been able to watch Elder up close for almost three years now. He has improved exponentially this past off-season, I believe he is training with FSP now. He will be, IMO, a bubble recruit somewhere with a strong MW team (BSU?) or a weaker PAC-12 team (OSU/ Cal/ WSU). I do think it is possible that UW offers him (next spring earliest) but to date they have shown little/ no interest. Even at Dirt Dawgs camp there were other 2019 recruits that Huff was very focused on and chatting up (several in particular he purposely grabbed and put with the seniors, Elder was not among them). This could all change quickly if he keeps playing like he has though- against serious talent. If offered, I pretty much guarantee he will go to UW.
This will likely be a break out year for him but he is not big time talent yet. He very well could be though and his frame is clearly in the Elite size category.
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A-fucking men. Not to blow smoke up Coker's ass, but this place would be substantially less if Coker was not putting his opinion out there. I appreciate someone putting in the research and providing their assessment...right or wrong. But this dude looks legit to my untrained eye. Love the tenacity and his ability to pull like a mofo. And disagree on anyone's evaluations all day long, but bring some sort of actual reasoning when you do it. Otherwise it's just useless.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
The whole point of this fucking bored is to have opinions, right or wrong. It would be boring as fuck if we all took your advice. That's why I love this place, because no one is just blind to the fucking coaches or nazi mods. I might be wrong on him, but I enjoy putting an opinion out so one day @RoadDawg55 can make fun of me for it.BallzDeep said:Maybe pump the brakes and wait to see if he ever gets offered before jizzing all over the place. Sark would have been all over him already but he ain't getting offered by Petersen until they see him perform against legit competition in person.
"I'll just wait to see what the coaches do and then I'll decide what I think, hurr durr!" -
Thank u for seeing my POV. Not attacking just trying to balance the highs. I want him as well. Every team needs a retard or two.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
That's fine, I do that too. But you don't need to consider competition when seeing how someone moves or how they play the game. Taylor Rapp is the perfect example, he played no one in HS but he moved so well and played as hard as anyone I had seen.rustysavage said:
I was trying to watch Wellington tape one time and all I could see was Hunter Bryant. That must have been ignorant of me.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Why does it matter? Why are you watching other players besides the person you are evaluating?rustysavage said:
Disagree. Good prospect, but take a Xanax on this one dawgyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
No, it doesn't matter.rustysavage said:It doesn't matter that he was blocking kids about 169 lbs tops?? I have zero doubt he could step onto husky field tmrw and block any and all kickers/punters in the pac.
His feet are incredible, his technique is sound, he pulls like a mother fucker... not one of those things have anything to do with opponent.
Edit: And I understand his competition was really poor, but no matter who we are recruiting in HS the competition when they get to CFB is going to be MASSIVELY different. Everyone understands that, it's just the question of, "Do they have the talent/tools needed to play or get developed at the college level." -
Recruiting bored... just fucking awful as of late. Pretty sure I have retina cancer.
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Not to make this a pop psychology class, but Autism can mean lot's of different things. Almost everyone jumps to some sort of Rainman type of mental picture. To call them retarded is far from the truth. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are both on the spectrum somewhere. To call them retarded is simply admitting to one's personal inability to achieve at a level that they have. Why are they successful? Unwavering abilities to focus, establish and execute plans while ingnoring social traps that come with the outcomes of those plans. Buffett is worth over $70 billion dollars, yet lives in a $300,000 house, drives a $50,000 Cadillac, and eats an Egg McMuffin every morning. He could afford upgrades in all aspects 1000x what we utilizes, but sees that extravagance as a distraction from the goal. He loves to do nothing more that to exist in his successful routine that works for him, and doesn't care how others perceive it. You could argue that being able to do that is a huge advantage. College football is all about following a very regimented routine. This sort of situation may really cater to an Autistic person if they can hack the physical part.
Usually, the biggest hurdle autistic people face physically are large motor functions (obviously this kid has managed to overcome many of those based on film.) I guarantee that a person that functions at this level while having Asbergers has done nothing but redundant work to get there, as they are almost never athlethically gifted from the start. From the interviews that I've seen, he seems to have no trouble communicating. So, socially he's probably ok. Having known a few people like this, you could call there honestly "blunt and refreshing". It looks like he's already started 2 seasons of varsity ball, in a very proficient offense (I saw in the team stats that they averaged over 40 points per game and about 500 yards per game).
Like it or not, most people that invent, innovate and lead show signs, if undiagnosed, of being somewhere on the spectrum.
