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It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity. Consider at Midway, they lost 4 carriers and we? 1. After Midway, the Japanese were able to put 4 new carriers to sea, with shitty pilots flying the planes. We launched 17 new carriers post Midway. And we did so with 80% of the war effort going to the European theater. If there had ever been a Pacific War just between the US and Japan, we could have won it under 2 years, even without the bomb.
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One of my two dads was on his staff in Japan.YellowSnow said:
Zhukov was a terrific general, but you can't judge a Soviet or German general by the same standards as an American (or British) one. The American people would have not been willing to stomach to casualties rates that Soviets were able to sustain on the Eastern Front. Same with the British. After the Somme in WWI they were going to let their boys get slaughtered on that scale again. Ike, Montgomery and Bradley had the luxury of being cautious and not wasting their soldiers lives unnecessarily. Rather, they could rely on overwhelming fire power, plenty of gas, and hordes of Russian divisions closing in from the East.PurpleThrobber said:
MacArthur was a fuckwad.Mosster47 said:Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.
Zhukov was the best general in WW2.
MacArthur was vain, narcissistic, SOB, but a fuckwad he was not. Old Dugout Dug got a lot lower of a percentage his troops killed than did Nimitz with the Marines. I think between 1942 and the retaking of the Philippines, Mac lost few troops thank Ike did in one battle at the Bugle. Part of MacArthur's brilliance, was that just skipped over their bases like Rabaul in New Britian where the Japanese had 100,000 troops stationed; he just let them wither on the vine. His handling of the occupation of Japan was amongst the brilliant bit of political leadership ever by an American, civilian or military. All that said, Truman was right to fire him.
I'm ok with the phrase "fuckwad".
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Fixed.PurpleThrobber said:
One of my two dads was on his staff in Japan, therefore I am MacArthur Superiority Guy.YellowSnow said:
Zhukov was a terrific general, but you can't judge a Soviet or German general by the same standards as an American (or British) one. The American people would have not been willing to stomach to casualties rates that Soviets were able to sustain on the Eastern Front. Same with the British. After the Somme in WWI they were going to let their boys get slaughtered on that scale again. Ike, Montgomery and Bradley had the luxury of being cautious and not wasting their soldiers lives unnecessarily. Rather, they could rely on overwhelming fire power, plenty of gas, and hordes of Russian divisions closing in from the East.PurpleThrobber said:
MacArthur was a fuckwad.Mosster47 said:Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.
Zhukov was the best general in WW2.
MacArthur was vain, narcissistic, SOB, but a fuckwad he was not. Old Dugout Dug got a lot lower of a percentage his troops killed than did Nimitz with the Marines. I think between 1942 and the retaking of the Philippines, Mac lost few troops thank Ike did in one battle at the Bugle. Part of MacArthur's brilliance, was that just skipped over their bases like Rabaul in New Britian where the Japanese had 100,000 troops stationed; he just let them wither on the vine. His handling of the occupation of Japan was amongst the brilliant bit of political leadership ever by an American, civilian or military. All that said, Truman was right to fire him.
I'm ok with the phrase "fuckwad".
Well why didn't you just say so then? Also you should be flagged for no "Recreation and Amusement Association" pics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation_and_Amusement_Association -
Well no shit. We had way more people and endless resources. It would be like the US vs Florida.YellowSnow said:It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity. Consider at Midway, they lost 4 carriers and we? 1. After Midway, the Japanese were able to put 4 new carriers to sea, with shitty pilots flying the planes. We launched 17 new carriers post Midway. And we did so with 80% of the war effort going to the European theater. If there had ever been a Pacific War just between the US and Japan, we could have won it under 2 years, even without the bomb.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. We have lost under 10k in 16 years and we have absolutely slaughtered the enemy in that time.Sledog said:
More than the atom bombs. We fought war to win and keep our losses to a minimum not the enemies.Mosster47 said:
LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.PurpleThrobber said:
MacArthur was a fuckwad.Mosster47 said:Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.
Zhukov was the best general in WW2.
We don't win anymore because it's terrible for business. How many tank orders came in after VE and VJ days? Almost zero.
If you don't have those parades and you bat the ball back and forth forever the tank, plane, and bomb orders never stop. -
In his defense, we also had Japanese interment camps "just in case".Mosster47 said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. We have lost under 10k in 16 years and we have absolutely slaughtered the enemy in that time.Sledog said:
More than the atom bombs. We fought war to win and keep our losses to a minimum not the enemies.Mosster47 said:
LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.PurpleThrobber said:
MacArthur was a fuckwad.Mosster47 said:Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.
Zhukov was the best general in WW2.
We don't win anymore because it's terrible for business. How many tank orders came in after VE and VJ days? Almost zero.
If you don't have those parades and you bat the ball back and forth forever the tank, plane, and bomb orders never stop.
That's the definition of playing to win. Who is to say those camps didn't prevent a second pearl harbor?
I feel gross even typing that, but playing to win is gaining as much advantage as possible. -
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YellowSnow said:
It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our
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Yes, Japan underestimated our will to wage war. But will alone doesn't win wars now does it? They couldn't comprehend the wave of steel and aluminum that would be coming their way.BearsWiin said:
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Actually, Yamamoto was very clear about this. It was Goering who thought we were only good at making refrigerators and razor blades.YellowSnow said:
Yes, Japan underestimated our will to wage war. But will alone doesn't win wars now does it? They couldn't comprehend the wave of steel and aluminum that would be coming their way.BearsWiin said:
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