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People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
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If there is one thing the most expensive healthcare system in the world needs, it's definitely more money.
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Shit. Important GIFs. Belongs.phineas said:
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Yeah...that's it. That's the ticket.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
At least you are admitting Obamacare is actually failing... -
People forget Obamacare is failing because they have too few participants. Apparently they are aware insurance with $2500 monthly premiums with $25,000 deductibles is not really insurance.
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Such fiscal conservative, don
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The main problem with Obamacare all along was that the funding model was not sustainable.HoustonHusky said:
Yeah...that's it. That's the ticket.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
At least you are admitting Obamacare is actually failing...
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It's not just the funding portion...it's pretty much the entire thing. And it's also why the scoring/comparison of any health care law to it is worthless...it's a comparison against a collapsing/failing system that nobody wants to admit is in that condition.
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When was the last time anyone walked into a hospital and thought, "yeah, they're out of money."?HoustonHusky said:It's not just the funding portion...it's pretty much the entire thing. And it's also why the scoring/comparison of any health care law to it is worthless...it's a comparison against a collapsing/failing system that nobody wants to admit is in that condition.
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Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier. -
Obamacare just needs remove the county line restriction. Let insurers have their network across the whole state rather than localized to each county.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The main problem with Obamacare all along was that the funding model was not sustainable.HoustonHusky said:
Yeah...that's it. That's the ticket.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
At least you are admitting Obamacare is actually failing...
I've never argued otherwise. -
Yeah...that will fix it all.2001400ex said:
Obamacare just needs remove the county line restriction. Let insurers have their network across the whole state rather than localized to each county.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The main problem with Obamacare all along was that the funding model was not sustainable.HoustonHusky said:
Yeah...that's it. That's the ticket.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
At least you are admitting Obamacare is actually failing...
I've never argued otherwise.
HondoFS with more chinsightful commentary... -
It's almost like if the government took over its nation's healthcare it could control the cost of care.UWhuskytskeet said:If there is one thing the most expensive healthcare system in the world needs, it's definitely more money.
No that would never work.*
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Excellent point.pawz said:
Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier.
Trumpcare will also fail for that reason. -
Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
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4D chessbananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
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It's baffling how we are still fucking this up. The world has paved the way for 30+ years. It could be implemented tomorrow.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
You take the French method of single payer with the option for a private supplement (sound super fucking familiar?) along with Canada's version of contracting to private clinics/hospitals.
Insurance companies stay open along with every private clinic and hospital. So fucking simple, yet it seems impossible. -
Whoa whoa, slow your roll, SOCIALIST!!1!Mosster47 said:
It's baffling how we are still fucking this up. The world has paved the way for 30+ years. It could be implemented tomorrow.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
You take the French method of single payer with the option for a private supplement (sound super fucking familiar?) along with Canada's version of contracting to private clinics/hospitals.
Insurance companies stay open along with every private clinic and hospital. So fucking simple, yet it seems impossible. -
The problem with obamacare is it tried to work within a rotten system.
What Mosster47 said. And it's inevitable -
It's baffling to me how this still gets fucked up. The world has already shown the way for 30+ years.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
Sorry, I forgot it fully works for education but is Communism for healthcare.BearsWiin said:
Whoa whoa, slow your roll, SOCIALIST!!1!Mosster47 said:
It's baffling how we are still fucking this up. The world has paved the way for 30+ years. It could be implemented tomorrow.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
You take the French method of single payer with the option for a private supplement (sound super fucking familiar?) along with Canada's version of contracting to private clinics/hospitals.
Insurance companies stay open along with every private clinic and hospital. So fucking simple, yet it seems impossible. -
well. you are arguing with the group that wants education privatized as wellMosster47 said:
It's baffling to me how this still gets fucked up. The world has already shown the way for 30+ years.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
Sorry, I forgot it fully works for education but is Communism for healthcare.BearsWiin said:
Whoa whoa, slow your roll, SOCIALIST!!1!Mosster47 said:
It's baffling how we are still fucking this up. The world has paved the way for 30+ years. It could be implemented tomorrow.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
You take the French method of single payer with the option for a private supplement (sound super fucking familiar?) along with Canada's version of contracting to private clinics/hospitals.
Insurance companies stay open along with every private clinic and hospital. So fucking simple, yet it seems impossible. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Excellent point.pawz said:
Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier.
Trumpcare will also fail for that reason.
Trumpcare only benefited the suppliers.
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dhdawg said:
well. you are arguing with the group that wants education privatized as wellMosster47 said:
It's baffling to me how this still gets fucked up. The world has already shown the way for 30+ years.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
Sorry, I forgot it fully works for education but is Communism for healthcare.BearsWiin said:
Whoa whoa, slow your roll, SOCIALIST!!1!Mosster47 said:
It's baffling how we are still fucking this up. The world has paved the way for 30+ years. It could be implemented tomorrow.bananasnblondes said:Trump and the current GOP will inadvertently usher in single-payer in the US
You take the French method of single payer with the option for a private supplement (sound super fucking familiar?) along with Canada's version of contracting to private clinics/hospitals.
Insurance companies stay open along with every private clinic and hospital. So fucking simple, yet it seems impossible.
It's almost like you're part of the group that hates competition. -
pawz said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Excellent point.pawz said:
Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier.
Trumpcare will also fail for that reason.
Trumpcare only benefited the suppliers.
For review:
economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/09/economist-explains-2?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/whydrugpricesinamericaaresohigh
Despite the furore, drug companies continue to charge exorbitant prices in America. Why?
The simple answer is because they can. European governments control prices in various ways—Britain has the strictest system, refusing to pay for medicines that fail to meet a threshold of cost-effectiveness. But in America companies set whatever official price they like.
#hondofsaprovesthispricegouge -
HRYKTierbsHsotBoobs said:
The main problem with Obamacare all along was that the funding model was not sustainable.HoustonHusky said:
Yeah...that's it. That's the ticket.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling because of subsidy cuts.
At least you are admitting Obamacare is actually failing...
I've never argued otherwise.
Noone was harder on the low number of young participants than Boobs -
Big Pharma is the only reason common sense hasn't taken over in all of this. Insurance, providers, and clinics won't skip a beat.pawz said:pawz said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Excellent point.pawz said:
Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier.
Trumpcare will also fail for that reason.
Trumpcare only benefited the suppliers.
For review:
economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/09/economist-explains-2?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/whydrugpricesinamericaaresohigh
Despite the furore, drug companies continue to charge exorbitant prices in America. Why?
The simple answer is because they can. European governments control prices in various ways—Britain has the strictest system, refusing to pay for medicines that fail to meet a threshold of cost-effectiveness. But in America companies set whatever official price they like.
#hondofsaprovesthispricegouge
Why the powers that be haven't used the Opiod problem to bastardize the Pharma companies to get public approval to make the change is also baffling. -
Same reason they won't legalize pot.Mosster47 said:
Big Pharma is the only reason common sense hasn't taken over in all of this. Insurance, providers, and clinics won't skip a beat.pawz said:pawz said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Excellent point.pawz said:
Fixed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
People forget Obamacare is falling becauseof subsidy cutsthere is no cost control.
And the corollary:
People forget Obamacare is failing because a monopoly only benefits the supplier.
Trumpcare will also fail for that reason.
Trumpcare only benefited the suppliers.
For review:
economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/09/economist-explains-2?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/whydrugpricesinamericaaresohigh
Despite the furore, drug companies continue to charge exorbitant prices in America. Why?
The simple answer is because they can. European governments control prices in various ways—Britain has the strictest system, refusing to pay for medicines that fail to meet a threshold of cost-effectiveness. But in America companies set whatever official price they like.
#hondofsaprovesthispricegouge
Why the powers that be haven't used the Opiod problem to bastardize the Pharma companies to get public approval to make the change is also baffling.
