Triple Double For Tony Wroten
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It's sad that with a team with Wroten, Wilcox and Ross that Gaddy led that fucking team in minutes played.
Yet all the Doogs were defending Gaddy and making it seem like Wroten was holding our team back.
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Hi there.He_Needs_More_Time said:It's sad that with a team with Wroten, Wilcox and Ross that Gaddy led that fucking team in minutes played.
Yet all the Doogs were defending Gaddy and making it seem like Wroten was holding our team back.
I really really hate our fans.
Wroten was terrible that year. Walking turnover who played no defense. He was incredible against elite competition (Duke, UA) and worthless against everyone else.
I wanted him to come back because other than Venoy every headcase we've had under Romar has matured, but I've never seen anyone less interested in playing defense than freshman Tony Wroten. Add in he was almost as good at drawing fouls as he was at missing free throws and He deserved every ounce of criticism he received. -
Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
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The Pac-12 was a fucking dreckfest that year. Wroten was despite his flaws the 3rd or fourth best player in the conference that year.
He was pretty good for UW, his assist totals would have been a lot better if Aziz could actually finish. -
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
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Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game. -
I don't think anyone would say he wasn't frustrating. The best players play, and Wroten was surely one of the best players. At times, he was our best player. Did you consult with BFallenB before your posts?dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
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Jensen and Gaddy never had a tenth of Wroten's talent, but they at least attempted to do something when they were on the court.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
Wroten was fantastic when he felt like the game warranted his effort. He'll probably be pretty damn good in the NBA.
He was a disaster his frosh year. His true shooting percentage was unfathomably bad, he had more turnovers than assists as an alleged point guard, he was the worst defensive player I've ever seen not named Martin Breunig. The only reason he got all conference is because he had nice point totals. -
Aziz was a lot better finisher than Wroten was.He_Needs_More_Time said:The Pac-12 was a fucking dreckfest that year. Wroten was despite his flaws the 3rd or fourth best player in the conference that year.
He was pretty good for UW, his assist totals would have been a lot better if Aziz could actually finish.
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I don't remember anything about bfallenb but if he hated Wroten's play at UW, he had something right.RoadDawg55 said:
I don't think anyone would say he wasn't frustrating. The best players play, and Wroten was surely one of the best players. At times, he was our best player. Did you consult with BFallenB before your posts?dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
I agree he was our best player in flashes, but he was our worst player far more often than not. He wouldn't have played 30 minutes a game if I was coaching, that's for sure.
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Gaddy was more highly touted coming in than Wroten was. Jensen was a high recruit and cost us an NCAA tournament game.dnc said:
Jensen and Gaddy never had a tenth of Wroten's talent, but they at least attempted to do something when they were on the court.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
Wroten was fantastic when he felt like the game warranted his effort. He'll probably be pretty damn good in the NBA.
He was a disaster his frosh year. His true shooting percentage was unfathomably bad, he had more turnovers than assists as an alleged point guard, he was the worst defensive player I've ever seen not named Martin Breunig. The only reason he got all conference is because he had nice point totals.
Gaddy led the team in minutes two years ago despite not doing much. He wasn't athletic, couldn't shoot which is a bad combo for a guard.
Wroten although frustrating would make great plays. Gaddy never once had that "moment" where I was glad he was playing for UW. While Wroten had several of those. -
DNC, you are making me re-think it a little bit, but I still don't agree. That team was going nowhere without Wroten. He was the only guy that was able to get past his man off the dribble which is basically the key to Romar's offense (at least back then.)
Wroten was lazy on defense, but all of the perimeter guys were pretty bad. Gaddy was too slow, Ross took plays off on D as well, Wilcox was decent, but injuries hampered him. Wroten should have gotten more out of his talent, but I think that is more on Romar. He was too good not to play 30 minutes.
We didn't make the tourney because we lost to Oregon State, and Wroten missed FT's down the stretch. Still, he had 29 points. Fans had a sour taste because his FT's cost us those games, and he sucked during the NIT, especially in the loss to Minnesota. -
Wroten was #1 in his class before the ACL injury. Gaddy might have had a lower number next to his name but Wroten was a much bigger name guy. And setting rankings aside, it's obvious Wroten had talent Gaddy can't even dream of.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Gaddy was more highly touted coming in than Wroten was. Jensen was a high recruit and cost us an NCAA tournament game.dnc said:
Jensen and Gaddy never had a tenth of Wroten's talent, but they at least attempted to do something when they were on the court.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
Wroten was fantastic when he felt like the game warranted his effort. He'll probably be pretty damn good in the NBA.
He was a disaster his frosh year. His true shooting percentage was unfathomably bad, he had more turnovers than assists as an alleged point guard, he was the worst defensive player I've ever seen not named Martin Breunig. The only reason he got all conference is because he had nice point totals.
Gaddy led the team in minutes two years ago despite not doing much. He wasn't athletic, couldn't shoot which is a bad combo for a guard.
Wroten although frustrating would make great plays. Gaddy never once had that "moment" where I was glad he was playing for UW. While Wroten had several of those.
Jensen cost us an Elite 8, caused allpurpleallgold to *poof* from the boreds and opened the troll door for Whiskey to introduce me to lemonparty all within about an hour of that loss. I should probably hate Jensen even more than I do.
I agree Wroten had several moments where I loved him. He had a lot more where I hated him. Gaddy was mostly invisible. -
The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
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Had Thomas came back we would all have a much better memory of Tony Wroten.
Wroten I'll say this lacked maturity and that team was actually young. So therefore Wroten was put in a position to be the "guy" which he wasn't ready for.
I do think how most of our fan base treated him was piss poor though. -
I agree he'd have been a lot better with IT around. I think Gaddy would have developed a lot better with another year of IT too.He_Needs_More_Time said:Had Thomas came back we would all have a much better memory of Tony Wroten.
Wroten I'll say this lacked maturity and that team was actually young. So therefore Wroten was put in a position to be the "guy" which he wasn't ready for.
I do think how most of our fan base treated him was piss poor though.
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He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.CuntWaffle said:The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
That reminds me of my favorite CFetters flip flop of all time. Before the P12 tournament: "UW is a tournament lock, doesn't matter what happens from here, UW is in"
After losing in the P12 tournament: "UW will not be in the tournament, they don't deserve it."
He was right the second time, of course, so at least he was smarter than spado. But when called out for saying UW was a lock before the game he just kept falling back on how now they don't deserve it. He would never just say "I was wrong, I shouldn't have said they were a lock."
I don't understand why it's so hard for KG, CF and SE (a Q!) to just say "I screwed up, sorry about that."
FThoseG
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I would say the real reason was shitty big men and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.dnc said:
He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.CuntWaffle said:The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
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Certainly there were multiple reasons, but Wroten's FT shooting was as big as any of them.RoadDawg55 said:
I would say the real reason was shitty big men, Wilcox missing a key stretch during Pac 12 play, and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.dnc said:
He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.CuntWaffle said:The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
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I was going to say the lack of good bigs is the real reason. Plus Romar never knows what his rotation is in OOC which cost us some games like you mentioned plus missed out on a chance to win a key game vs either Duke or Marquette.RoadDawg55 said:
I would say the real reason was shitty big men, Wilcox missing a key stretch during Pac 12 play, and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.dnc said:
He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.CuntWaffle said:The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
Ross was pretty inconsistent too. Romar needs that older player to take the reigns of leadership on and off the court.
All his best teams had a junior/senior being our best player. -
The only thing that held Terrence Ross back was Terrence Ross. When he took over a game I hadn't seen anything like that since Brandon Roy. He just for some reason would get really hesitant after a couple missed shots or a turnover.
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It took Roy until his senior year before he really knew how to turn it on consistently, too. Well, maybe the beginning of his junior year before he tore the meniscus. But sometimes it takes a kid awhile to learn how good he really is. Pondexter's another example.CuntWaffle said:The only thing that held Terrence Ross back was Terrence Ross. When he took over a game I hadn't seen anything like that since Brandon Roy. He just for some reason would get really hesitant after a couple missed shots or a turnover.
Once the lightbulb went off for Roy he was incredible to watch, both at UW and in the league. I'm starting to worry Ross won't be getting that chance, he's buried behind Derozen and Gay.
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In the NBA sometimes it's all about your situation. For Wroten being in Memphis was a bad spot for him. In Philly he is getting his chance to prove himself. Hawes struggled in Sacramento but made a name for himself in Philly.
Nate Robinson has had an up and down career as well depending on where he goes.
I think Ross needs to be in a situation where that franchise will let him flourish and Toronto obviously isn't it. -
the rudy gay trade was a pretty clear message of what they think of himHe_Needs_More_Time said:In the NBA sometimes it's all about your situation. For Wroten being in Memphis was a bad spot for him. In Philly he is getting his chance to prove himself. Hawes struggled in Sacramento but made a name for himself in Philly.
Nate Robinson has had an up and down career as well depending on where he goes.
I think Ross needs to be in a situation where that franchise will let him flourish and Toronto obviously isn't it.
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I was very critical of wroten. When your team needs a win badly to make the tournament you cannot miss 4 straight ft's. U just can't. He was an overall microcosm of that team, potential, but didn't give their 100%. On the other hand, who did you want romar to give those minutes to instead?dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game. -
Good point. I forgot that was the team with only four guards/wings. You had to give Gaddy, Ross, Wilcox and Wroten 120 minutes a game between them.dhdawg said:
I was very critical of wroten. When your team needs a win badly to make the tournament you cannot miss 4 straight ft's. U just can't. He was an overall microcosm of that team, potential, but didn't give their 100%. On the other hand, who did you want romar to give those minutes to instead?dnc said:
Ho. Lee. Shit.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc
I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
I guess I would say he should never have gone into the year with 11 scholarship players, especially when two of them were Hikeem Stewart and Martin Breunig. And he definitely shouldn't have let Scott Suggs redshirt if it was possible for him to play again, which of course it was.
Romar's mismanagement of the roster bungled that year as much as anything else. One more competent guard or wing and that team could have been a force.
I miss Romar math.
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You gotta remember that the NBA is a veterans league. Most guys bounce around for awhile before finding their niche unless they are a star. All the best teams are full of guys with experience. I think Terrance Ross can be a less wild JR Smith in time. He's a great athlete, good in transition, and a streaky shooter. On the right team, he could be a good #3 scorer or 6th man. He will never be assertive enough to be a star, but he can be a very good role player if he works on his defense and accepts his role. The only problem is the league is stocked with 3 and D swingmen.
I think Wroten will eventually be a borderline all star. His skillset is unique. Not many guys are as fast as him, and very few can get to the hoop like he can. The only question is if he can play in control and not jack up too many jumpers. He's shooting four 3's a game, and only connecting on 25%. He needs to abandon that part of his game like Tony Parker did when he was a young player. -
Disagree.
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