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  • [Deleted User]
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    dnc said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    dnc said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.

    Ho. Lee. Shit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc

    I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
    Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.
    Jensen and Gaddy never had a tenth of Wroten's talent, but they at least attempted to do something when they were on the court.

    Wroten was fantastic when he felt like the game warranted his effort. He'll probably be pretty damn good in the NBA.

    He was a disaster his frosh year. His true shooting percentage was unfathomably bad, he had more turnovers than assists as an alleged point guard, he was the worst defensive player I've ever seen not named Martin Breunig. The only reason he got all conference is because he had nice point totals.
    Gaddy was more highly touted coming in than Wroten was. Jensen was a high recruit and cost us an NCAA tournament game.

    Gaddy led the team in minutes two years ago despite not doing much. He wasn't athletic, couldn't shoot which is a bad combo for a guard.

    Wroten although frustrating would make great plays. Gaddy never once had that "moment" where I was glad he was playing for UW. While Wroten had several of those.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,414 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2013
    DNC, you are making me re-think it a little bit, but I still don't agree. That team was going nowhere without Wroten. He was the only guy that was able to get past his man off the dribble which is basically the key to Romar's offense (at least back then.)

    Wroten was lazy on defense, but all of the perimeter guys were pretty bad. Gaddy was too slow, Ross took plays off on D as well, Wilcox was decent, but injuries hampered him. Wroten should have gotten more out of his talent, but I think that is more on Romar. He was too good not to play 30 minutes.

    We didn't make the tourney because we lost to Oregon State, and Wroten missed FT's down the stretch. Still, he had 29 points. Fans had a sour taste because his FT's cost us those games, and he sucked during the NIT, especially in the loss to Minnesota.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    dnc said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    dnc said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Wroten was not terrible. He was an All Pac 12 player. I don't agree about him deserving the criticism. He had many flaws, but was still pretty good.

    Ho. Lee. Shit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBRBkYqHxc

    I could not possibly disagree more. Wroten's talent was evident, but I've never seen a more frustrating player. I couldn't believe Romar gave him 30 minutes a game.
    Mike Jensen and Abdul Gaddy say hi.
    Jensen and Gaddy never had a tenth of Wroten's talent, but they at least attempted to do something when they were on the court.

    Wroten was fantastic when he felt like the game warranted his effort. He'll probably be pretty damn good in the NBA.

    He was a disaster his frosh year. His true shooting percentage was unfathomably bad, he had more turnovers than assists as an alleged point guard, he was the worst defensive player I've ever seen not named Martin Breunig. The only reason he got all conference is because he had nice point totals.
    Gaddy was more highly touted coming in than Wroten was. Jensen was a high recruit and cost us an NCAA tournament game.

    Gaddy led the team in minutes two years ago despite not doing much. He wasn't athletic, couldn't shoot which is a bad combo for a guard.

    Wroten although frustrating would make great plays. Gaddy never once had that "moment" where I was glad he was playing for UW. While Wroten had several of those.
    Wroten was #1 in his class before the ACL injury. Gaddy might have had a lower number next to his name but Wroten was a much bigger name guy. And setting rankings aside, it's obvious Wroten had talent Gaddy can't even dream of.

    Jensen cost us an Elite 8, caused allpurpleallgold to *poof* from the boreds and opened the troll door for Whiskey to introduce me to lemonparty all within about an hour of that loss. I should probably hate Jensen even more than I do.

    I agree Wroten had several moments where I loved him. He had a lot more where I hated him. Gaddy was mostly invisible.
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).
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  • [Deleted User]
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    Had Thomas came back we would all have a much better memory of Tony Wroten.

    Wroten I'll say this lacked maturity and that team was actually young. So therefore Wroten was put in a position to be the "guy" which he wasn't ready for.

    I do think how most of our fan base treated him was piss poor though.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Had Thomas came back we would all have a much better memory of Tony Wroten.

    Wroten I'll say this lacked maturity and that team was actually young. So therefore Wroten was put in a position to be the "guy" which he wasn't ready for.

    I do think how most of our fan base treated him was piss poor though.

    I agree he'd have been a lot better with IT around. I think Gaddy would have developed a lot better with another year of IT too.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited November 2013
    CuntWaffle said:

    The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).

    He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.

    That reminds me of my favorite CFetters flip flop of all time. Before the P12 tournament: "UW is a tournament lock, doesn't matter what happens from here, UW is in"

    After losing in the P12 tournament: "UW will not be in the tournament, they don't deserve it."

    He was right the second time, of course, so at least he was smarter than spado. But when called out for saying UW was a lock before the game he just kept falling back on how now they don't deserve it. He would never just say "I was wrong, I shouldn't have said they were a lock."

    I don't understand why it's so hard for KG, CF and SE (a Q!) to just say "I screwed up, sorry about that."

    FThoseG
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,414 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2013
    dnc said:

    CuntWaffle said:

    The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).

    He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.

    I would say the real reason was shitty big men and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.

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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    CuntWaffle said:

    The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).

    He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.

    I would say the real reason was shitty big men, Wilcox missing a key stretch during Pac 12 play, and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.

    Certainly there were multiple reasons, but Wroten's FT shooting was as big as any of them.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    CuntWaffle said:

    The only shitty thing about Wroten besides the free throw shooting when he was at UW was he would always try and hit a home run when you only needed a single. His game was much more NBA than it was college. He was a huge part why they won the Pac-12 (yes a rather shitty Pac-12 still won it though).

    He was a huge part of why they didn't go to the tournament, too.

    I would say the real reason was shitty big men, Wilcox missing a key stretch during Pac 12 play, and losses to Nevada and South Dakota State, a game Wroten was our best player and Ross scored 6.

    I was going to say the lack of good bigs is the real reason. Plus Romar never knows what his rotation is in OOC which cost us some games like you mentioned plus missed out on a chance to win a key game vs either Duke or Marquette.

    Ross was pretty inconsistent too. Romar needs that older player to take the reigns of leadership on and off the court.

    All his best teams had a junior/senior being our best player.
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