4th Round over. Elijah Qualls still waiting.

At this point he's insane value ...

One of his biggest problems is that his skill set is only going to fit a subset of the teams (at least in their mind) ...

But it's hard ... I understand why he went pro and I do agree with the sentiment made that it would be hard for him to dramatically increase his draft positioning next year ... although getting in a little bit of better shape and whatnot could have helped him a little bit.

Tequilla said:

At this point he's insane value ...

One of his biggest problems is that his skill set is only going to fit a subset of the teams (at least in their mind) ...

But it's hard ... I understand why he went pro and I do agree with the sentiment made that it would be hard for him to dramatically increase his draft positioning next year ... although getting in a little bit of better shape and whatnot could have helped him a little bit.

The way that guys drastically improve up the charts with ridiculous 40 times, or verts, or anything of the sort it would have made sense for him to come back. This isn't an IT situation where he can't grow and he had an MVP year and thus there isn't anything else he can do. He could get into shape, crush it during the year and then be in shape for the combine. Football has such a short shelf life and non guaranteed contracts seems pretty foolish to go out and try to barely get drafted(if he does)

FreeChavez said:

Tequilla said:

At this point he's insane value ...

One of his biggest problems is that his skill set is only going to fit a subset of the teams (at least in their mind) ...

But it's hard ... I understand why he went pro and I do agree with the sentiment made that it would be hard for him to dramatically increase his draft positioning next year ... although getting in a little bit of better shape and whatnot could have helped him a little bit.

The way that guys drastically improve up the charts with ridiculous 40 times, or verts, or anything of the sort it would have made sense for him to come back. This isn't an IT situation where he can't grow and he had an MVP year and thus there isn't anything else he can do. He could get into shape, crush it during the year and then be in shape for the combine. Football has such a short shelf life and non guaranteed contracts seems pretty foolish to go out and try to barely get drafted(if he does)

Getting in better shape and being more consistent would have helped.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

Quite honestly Softy, I think he underachieved last season.

He was inconsistent. He looked amazing one play, then fucking disappeared the next play.

Qualls is a really good player ... but at the same time, there's enough things outstanding with him that would cause flags to scouts ...

There's no question that he could put himself in a better position by getting in better shape ... would help with his consistency ...

Hopefully he takes this as a bit of a wakeup call and puts in the work necessary to outperform his draft positioning.

Just glad he was taken before Stevie T. That would have been big time salt in the wound.

Out of all the DTs who played a lot last year, Qualls was the least memorable to me. He's not strong enough yet to get to NFL QBs. Doesn't have the push Greg Gaines has. Very DUM for him to leave early...and he was punished in this draft for it. He did 33 reps for his chest, but his legs and hips are still too weak. He might not make an NFL team because of his weaknesses. Dum move by him.

Though Greg Gaines may not have huge #s, he is so strong and disruptive - pushing guys back so far, that he quite possibly causes the most problems for the opposing teams. QBs always panicked last year when he penetrated deeply. He should easily be a top 3 round pick in the future, but he probably won't be. Gaines is my favorite guy on the DL. I love his face when he plays. I hope NFL teams start to notice him.

priapism said:

WeakarmCobra said:

priapism said:

Out of all the DTs who played a lot last year, Qualls was the least memorable to me. He's not strong enough yet to get to NFL QBs. Doesn't have the push Greg Gaines has. Very DUM for him to leave early...and he was punished in this draft for it. He did 33 reps for his chest, but his legs and hips are still too weak. He might not make an NFL team because of his weaknesses. Dum move by him.

Though Greg Gaines may not have huge #s, he is so strong and disruptive - pushing guys back so far, that he quite possibly causes the most problems for the opposing teams. QBs always panicked last year when he penetrated deeply. He should easily be a top 3 round pick in the future, but he probably won't be. Gaines is my favorite guy on the DL. I love his face when he plays. I hope NFL teams start to notice him.

Dude he was just out of shape. There point where he would dominate players and then get washed out. His problem is conditioning, he was plenty strong. Agreed, Gaines is probably the most consistent and the best DT we had last year.

So you're saying that he gets weaker as the game goes on?
Nice.

there is difference between strength and conditioning

Dennis_DeYoung said:

RoadDawg55 said:

I think part of Qualls problem is a lack of versatility.

4-3 teams probably don't love him because he's not a huge disrupter.

Even though he's 320 pounds, he's not a huge NT in a 3-4. He's too short to be a 3-4 DE.

Good player at UW. He probably should have returned, but I don't think he ever came to UW to play school.

Obviously he should've fucking come back, are you stupid? The only people that think it was a good decision are Kim and Eklund.

He could've gotten into the 2nd or 3rd round with another year.

Exactly ...

When I look at Qualls, I see a guy that has the tools to be a good player and is more of a gamer than he is a beast in the underwear Olympics ...

That being said, the underwear Olympics matter at the professional level because they see flab around the gut as a sign of commitment and discipline ... and when you make your money off of your body ... your one job is to make sure that you take good care of it.

RoadDawg55 said:

Yeah, this bullshit about him not being able to increase his value because he would be 23 is strange. Any player can come back, play better, and get in better shape.

In my defense when I said that I thought he was going 4th round. I don't think he would have gone higher than that next year.

He definitely could have gone higher than 6th next year.

Tequilla said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

RoadDawg55 said:

I think part of Qualls problem is a lack of versatility.

4-3 teams probably don't love him because he's not a huge disrupter.

Even though he's 320 pounds, he's not a huge NT in a 3-4. He's too short to be a 3-4 DE.

Good player at UW. He probably should have returned, but I don't think he ever came to UW to play school.

Obviously he should've fucking come back, are you stupid? The only people that think it was a good decision are Kim and Eklund.

He could've gotten into the 2nd or 3rd round with another year.

Exactly ...

When I look at Qualls, I see a guy that has the tools to be a good player and is more of a gamer than he is a beast in the underwear Olympics ...

That being said, the underwear Olympics matter at the professional level because they see flab around the gut as a sign of commitment and discipline ... and when you make your money off of your body ... your one job is to make sure that you take good care of it.

This explains why Vince Wilfork could never stick with an NFL franchise