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Kirby Smart

no_uh
no_uh Member Posts: 769
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The anti-sark.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Might be the next Nick Holt though.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited November 2013
    RaceBannon said:

    Hiring Nick Saban's defensive coordinator is like hiring Pete Carroll's defensive coordinator

    Or hell, even his offensive coordinator.

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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    If he's so smart, why is his name still Kirby?
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    sarktastic said:

    If he's so smart, why is his name still Kirby?

    Ask Barbaro.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    sarktastic said:

    If he's so smart, why is his name still Kirby?

    Ask Barbaro.
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Yes another coordinator who has literally 100% superior talent than those on his schedule. Nothing could go wrong there. I think I am being whooshed.
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  • no_uh
    no_uh Member Posts: 769
    Gladstone said:

    Yes another coordinator who has literally 100% superior talent than those on his schedule. Nothing could go wrong there. I think I am being whooshed.

    He's going to be Saban's successor if he doesn't get poached first. Alabama was still a dumpster fire when he and Saban arrived - not like getting superior talent isn't part of the game or is completely separate from coaching. I guess we can argue over who is less of a sure thing, but the sure thing is that he would be a significant improvement over Sark in all aspects. The sad part is that I doubt we even have the clout to swing one of the best coordinators in the country, or anything that is as close to a "sure thing" as most of you would like to believe.

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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    no_uh said:

    Gladstone said:

    Yes another coordinator who has literally 100% superior talent than those on his schedule. Nothing could go wrong there. I think I am being whooshed.

    He's going to be Saban's successor if he doesn't get poached first. Alabama was still a dumpster fire when he and Saban arrived - not like getting superior talent isn't part of the game or is completely separate from coaching. I guess we can argue over who is less of a sure thing, but the sure thing is that he would be a significant improvement over Sark in all aspects. The sad part is that I doubt we even have the clout to swing one of the best coordinators in the country, or anything that is as close to a "sure thing" as most of you would like to believe.

    He's a dumb fuck if he is looking to be Saban's successor.

    If he is as good as you say he is he will be pushing his agent to get him the fuck out of Alabama before Saban.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    no_uh said:

    Gladstone said:

    Yes another coordinator who has literally 100% superior talent than those on his schedule. Nothing could go wrong there. I think I am being whooshed.

    He's going to be Saban's successor if he doesn't get poached first. Alabama was still a dumpster fire when he and Saban arrived - not like getting superior talent isn't part of the game or is completely separate from coaching. I guess we can argue over who is less of a sure thing, but the sure thing is that he would be a significant improvement over Sark in all aspects. The sad part is that I doubt we even have the clout to swing one of the best coordinators in the country, or anything that is as close to a "sure thing" as most of you would like to believe.

    You must be awfully new here.

    We don't give a fuck what coordinators do under great coaches.
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  • no_uh
    no_uh Member Posts: 769
    My bad, my bad, I forgot we only go for hardass NFL failures who can't even win a Holiday Bowl.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,466 Founders Club

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    No, no, no, maybe no ,no
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    DerekJohnson said:


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    No, no, no, maybe, no ,no

    disagree
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Does Will Muschump ring a fucking bell? I doubt UW would hire Kirby Smart but I would be fucking pissed if they did.

    Saban just like Carroll at USC has his hand prints all over that defense. I don't trust Smart at all to be a good head coach.
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  • no_uh
    no_uh Member Posts: 769
    edited November 2013
    Bring on the downvotes. We'll let it play out, but I'll be sure to bump this thread in a few years when Saban Jr. is coaching in the NC game and we are still playing in Ciudad Juarez or whatever other shit tier bowl under our next shitty hire. For those that throw out Muschamp, Nick Holt, or Sark, there's also Gus Malzahn and numerous others with limited, if any headcoaching experience who have gone on to have success. There's plenty of room for distinguishing them from each other as well. It's a gamble hire either way. Not sure why any of you are convinced that hiring a HC with success in a shit tier conference is more of a sure thing. I also get that Mora is coveted, and should've been our hire - but again, not sure that 1) we can/would go after him with success (especially under current leadership) and 2) he is the solution. I seriously doubt that UW is committed to spending the $$$ to make a hire that would be any closer to a sure thing.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    no_uh said:

    Bring on the downvotes. We'll let it play out, but I'll be sure to bump this thread in a few years when Saban Jr. is coaching in the NC game and we are still playing in Ciudad Juarez or whatever other shit tier bowl under our next shitty hire. For those that throw out Muschamp, Nick Holt, or Sark, there's also Gus Malzahn and numerous others with limited, if any headcoaching experience who have gone on to have success. It's a gamble hire either way. Not sure why any of you are convinced that hiring a HC with success in a shit tier conference is more of a sure thing. I also get that Mora is coveted, and should've been our hire - but again, not sure that 1) we can/would go after him with success (especially under current leadership) and 2) he is the solution. I seriously doubt that UW is committed to spending the $$$ to make a hire that would be any closer to a sure thing.

    There is no magic bullet.

    Malzahn worked his way up as an OC at three different schools before he started getting HC gigs. He didn't build his resume as a coffee bitch for a great HC.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    no_uh said:

    Bring on the downvotes. We'll let it play out, but I'll be sure to bump this thread in a few years when Saban Jr. is coaching in the NC game and we are still playing in Ciudad Juarez or whatever other shit tier bowl under our next shitty hire. For those that throw out Muschamp, Nick Holt, or Sark, there's also Gus Malzahn and numerous others with limited, if any headcoaching experience who have gone on to have success. It's a gamble hire either way. Not sure why any of you are convinced that hiring a HC with success in a shit tier conference is more of a sure thing. I also get that Mora is coveted, and should've been our hire - but again, not sure that 1) we can/would go after him with success (especially under current leadership) and 2) he is the solution. I seriously doubt that UW is committed to spending the $$$ to make a hire that would be any closer to a sure thing.

    There is no magic bullet.

    Malzahn worked his way up as an OC at three different schools before he started getting HC gigs. He didn't build his resume as a coffee bitch for a great HC.
    Agreed. I'm not against coordinator hires. I'm against hiring a coordinator who hasn't proven proven himself in multiple settings with varied talent levels under different HC's.

    I'm also against paying any coordinator like a proven top level HC.

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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    no_uh said:

    Bring on the downvotes. We'll let it play out, but I'll be sure to bump this thread in a few years when Saban Jr. is coaching in the NC game and we are still playing in Ciudad Juarez or whatever other shit tier bowl under our next shitty hire. For those that throw out Muschamp, Nick Holt, or Sark, there's also Gus Malzahn and numerous others with limited, if any headcoaching experience who have gone on to have success. It's a gamble hire either way. Not sure why any of you are convinced that hiring a HC with success in a shit tier conference is more of a sure thing. I also get that Mora is coveted, and should've been our hire - but again, not sure that 1) we can/would go after him with success (especially under current leadership) and 2) he is the solution. I seriously doubt that UW is committed to spending the $$$ to make a hire that would be any closer to a sure thing.

    Gus also coaches at a school that cares ...

    hth
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,019 Founders Club
    Malazhan was the OC on a national champion with a shitty head coach who got fired two years later. That is a difference. Don James really doesn't have that great a coaching tree. Saban was a GA at Kent State for one year. Mora the First was a DC for James for a couple years. Pinkel is Lambo.

    I'm too lazy but I would surmise, with exceptions of course, that the greater the head coach the more risky it is to hire his coordinators. The Bellicheck guys come to mind.

    Muschamp is odd because Mac Brown is not known for defense or being all that great other than at recruiting. But Florida has a very good defense. They have a shitty offense so maybe Muschamp does prove something.

    KobeStopper has the research that hiring a coordinator is no more risky that hiring a mid major head guy - that isnt the issue. It is which coordinators that are the issue.

    Saban is a control freak who coaches the defensive backs and is the Defensive Coordinator. Nussmeir is the guy that did well here and at Bama and would be the guy I'd hire if I was looking there.

    I know we want defense but the point is that Nuss has shown under two coaches he can do it and we know now that Sark is a fraud as far as offense goes.

    What we need is the next Mike Lude as AD, then we'll get the next Don James. Or Skip Belly
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, and Bill Parcells, were all pretty decent coaches with pretty decent coaching trees.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,019 Founders Club
    Southerndawg said:

    Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, and Bill Parcells, were all pretty decent coaches with pretty decent coaching trees.

    Names?

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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    edited November 2013
    Landry:
    espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/coachingtree130604/greatest-nfl-coaches-tom-landry-coaching-tree

    Walsh:
    espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/coachingtreewalsh130610/

    Parcells:
    espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/coachingtree130529/greatest-nfl-coaches-parcells-belichick-coaching-tree


    An awful lot of hardware won by this bunch. Some of the best coaches of the last four decades.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,019 Founders Club
    I'm not overwhelmed by those lists - especially the closest fruit to the tree. Parcells looks like the best of the bunch. Walsh was a college head coach as well and none of his college guys made that list - Denny Green and Ty
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    I'm not overwhelmed by those lists - especially the closest fruit to the tree. Parcells looks like the best of the bunch. Walsh was a college head coach as well and none of his college guys made that list - Denny Green and Ty

    Why would you be? There are only a few College National Title winners and a number of SuperBowl winners in there, nothing impressive about that. The premise that great coaches fail to spawn great coaches is wrong. The truth is some do, some don't. A lot of it depends on their management style. IMO, universally applying a contrarian theory to the value of their assistants makes no sense.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,019 Founders Club
    Way down the tree there stretch
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  • Tailgater
    Tailgater Member Posts: 1,389
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Might be the next Nick Holt though.

    Only after a stop in Moscow to add vandaloser to his resume and get his head shaved.

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Belicheck was directly under Parcells for two decades.

    Then end of his career Sean Payton was. That's four Super Bowl titles right there.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,019 Founders Club
    I pointed out that Parcels had the best of that bunch.

    None of whom beat Stanford or Oregon.


    So that's two. Sounds like a nice exception to my rule
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  • unfrozencaveman
    unfrozencaveman Member Posts: 2,303
    Anyone seen the Pete Carroll coaching tree lately? Not looking good, I do see some green shoots however

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